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Still fairly new to the forum, I've read several posts critical of the above site. Just curious why.

I'm not here to defend the site, but I have found it is a good starting point for getting a non-brand affiliated opinion on snowboard gear. I know that they don't necessarily ride/use every item they review, but they do indicate which ones they have ridden/used.

Also, as with any snowboard review site, I've found that one has to understand any possible biases in the reviewer's comments and/or how their riding style affects their reviews. Caveat emptor!


Finally, since I'm asking about snowboarding/gear review websites, are there any others of which I should be aware?

Angry Snowboarder (Home to BA of course.)
Geeks of Shred
Agnarchy
Snowboard Review
Shayboarder

Any others worth a look?
 

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I only really go by what I read on Angry Snowboarder, or on what some of the more experienced boarders on here say.

Just find it to be more trustworthy, sound, and unbiased advice I supposed.
 

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David z and leo i believe are the guys on agnarchy. they are both active on here.

board insiders does video reviews but they come out kind of late. For example they don't review this years gear until mid season.
 

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The thing about gear is that, its relative to the hill or region. Sure there are the fan clubs...burton in east, ns and venture in colorado, lib/gnu in pnw, and prior in bc....and the reasons are partly based in fact that the team/proto testing is generally done in those areas...therefore a board/gear made to handle those conditions/terrain. In a general forum, like here, some folks forget that the local hill is a huge influence of their riding style, preferences and what they tote as the best. Perhaps at the beginner and intermediate level it doesn't matter so much but at the expert level the little design things for the conditions/terrain just add up. So just take into account their region and riding level and style and perhaps check in with a local core shop and their seasoned riders to see what they ride or recommend.
 

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i use thegoodride all the time to compare different gear.

now that people are bringing this up i am noticing some errors on their site...

example:

the good ride rates 390 bosses as a 2 out of 5 for flex.

they then rate the Mob Bosses as a 3 out of 5 for flex.

People on this forum have said that the Mobs are flexier and more of a jib binding than the 390s.

is this true?
 

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The thing about gear is that, its relative to the hill or region. Sure there are the fan clubs...burton in east, ns and venture in colorado, lib/gnu in pnw, and prior in bc....and the reasons are partly based in fact that the team/proto testing is generally done in those areas...therefore a board/gear made to handle those conditions/terrain. In a general forum, like here, some folks forget that the local hill is a huge influence of their riding style, preferences and what they tote as the best. Perhaps at the beginner and intermediate level it doesn't matter so much but at the expert level the little design things for the conditions/terrain just add up. So just take into account their region and riding level and style and perhaps check in with a local core shop and their seasoned riders to see what they ride or recommend.
I absolutely agree with the comments above. I have found that only experience reading the reviews helps to determine any biases.

For myself, I ride the Ice Coast primarily. Powder is something only rumoured out here most of the time. For me, edge hold is extremely important, and I have found that Mervin's magnetraction works best. Therefore, if I reviewed a board, I'm sure I would be critical of ANY deficiency in edge hold. Someone who rides mostly powder might put far less emphasis on that feature and rate the same board more positively than me.

I'd be curious how some of the members on this forum who do review gear regularly feel about this?

Snowolf, BA perhaps?
 

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i use thegoodride all the time to compare different gear.

now that people are bringing this up i am noticing some errors on their site...

example:

the good ride rates 390 bosses as a 2 out of 5 for flex.

they then rate the Mob Bosses as a 3 out of 5 for flex.

People on this forum have said that the Mobs are flexier and more of a jib binding than the 390s.

is this true?
Mobs are much softer. The Good Ride is pure crap. They're one of those review sites that's popped up cause they figured out if they can get people to send them stuff to review, occasionally they'll get to keep it. Free shit. That's why this exists.

Shayboarder is awful. She'll like anything from a company that hooks her up. And I've seen her ride. She can't do anything to actually test a board.

Agnarchy has good dudes over there.

Snowboard Review... after some poking around I only found a few things I didn't like. Seems alright.

Geek doesn't have enough on there and I've yet to see anything to suggest they aren't just licking the hand feeding them.

Angry. I work for him. You trust him, he trusts me.

@Dragon:

I take those things into consideration. Despite what people seem to think, we do get gnar ice in CO. Especially at Keystone. There are sides of that mountain that sit in the sun most of the day, then around 1:30 shade hits. That'll easily drop the temp 20* in half an hour. It gets bulletproof.

On top of that, a good tester can tell what the edgehold is gonna be like on standard groomers here. If you're the type that can feel the minute changes in snowboards you can translate it's reactions in certain conditions to others.
 

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^^

Everyone else is crap, we are the best!

Thanks for that impartial advice their Nivek:icon_scratch:.

On the whole I am inclined to agree with him though, the good ride seems to make some strange conclusions about boards it would appear they haven't ridden.

I personally try to find all the info I can get on various sites and take them all with a pinch of salt. If you see several people on different sites making similar observations about the same board that gives you something to go by.

Personal preference has to play a huge part, nothing wrong with that its human nature.

Conditions will play a big role as well.

As far as I know there are very few independent gear review sites here in Japan (in Japanese). Maybe a gap in the market.
 

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Ride Big

Another review site, mostly geared towards bigger riders but still gives a good additional point of view for smaller riders as well.
 

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Shayboarder is awful. She'll like anything from a company that hooks her up. And I've seen her ride. She can't do anything to actually test a board.
I've suspected that.

What annoys me about shayboarder is that here is a chick rider with the opportunity to review a lot boards, and she reviews more men's boards than women's.

Doesn't do much for me or my gender.
 

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Reviews as a whole fucking suck and in all honesty I hate doing them with every fiber of my being. But they also need to exist because the big three (Transworld, Snowboarder, and Snowboard Mag) are failing you the consumer as a whole on giving you educated advice on gear. Paid advertorials do nothing to help anyone. But that's another topic for another discussion.

I also feel companies seem to fail on the whole getting demos in the hands of the actual people that support snowboarding. There need to be more weekend demo's at more major resorts vs these mom and pop ski hills, nothing wrong with the ski hill resort choices, but go to the major demographics. Also shops drop the ball on the getting demo's in the hands of people. If more shops did what my old shop used to do where for 25 to 50 dollars a day that if you decided to buy the board from us we would put up to 2 days worth of fees towards the purchase of that deck, we would also swap out mid day if you didn't like the board no additional charge.

As for sites that do reviews. They fill a void but who do you or don't you trust that's the big question? I have always said and stand by this that you should try and find three sites you trust that all have reviewed the same gear and look for the similarities. If all three seem to agree on something then I would say that's pretty accurate, now if one is off on something, see if it makes actual sense. With myself I try to give you the most concise and straight to the point no bullshit reasoning why something felt, did, acted, touched me where it shouldn't have so that you don't have to read a 20 paragraph dissertation about ZJ's and what not. I also encourage thought out questions not "you're wrong I dun bought dis and it's da bestest you fag" comments. Discussion is good!

Getting all the facts you can about conditions, terrain, binding angles, rider weight, stance width, etc. etc. etc. are key. I at 175lbs with a 22.5 inch stance and 18 negative 15 degree angles will flex a 154cm board a lot different than someone at 220lbs with a 21 inch stance and 12 negative 12 angles. Stance width and weight play such a huge role in how a board flexes. Then add in the conditions and terrain plus rider style/preference. Finally time on a board also has a huge effect on the review. I try to give a deck 4 hours as that's the length of a typical day for me and if I'm not sure of it I'll take it out for a second day just to give it another shot. These people that go to demos usually spend maybe 3 laps on a deck, I did this method when I started the site it's quick and efficient for giving the site content, but in the end doesn't help the company or the consumer with feedback. It's more of an ego stroker to the reviewer to claim I rode x number of boards/bindings and have these reviews on my site before anyone else.

Now I have some serious thoughts on the sites doing reviews:

Agnarchy: I talk with Dave pretty much daily and I've seen his growth with his site and the direction it's going. I back it and I see the improvements he's made going forward. It might not update as frequent as others but it's good for a guy with a wife, kid, day job, and living in the midwest. Adding the Asian contingent of Leo has been hilarious only because he's so stereotypical Asian in his thought process on things it's somewhat comical with how they do their dual reviews. It's a great compare and contrast situation. I actually suggest people check them out more, might light a fire under their asses to do more content!

Geeks of Shred: Rarely do I check out this site. It's like that thing that if it pops up in a social media feed with a review from a brand I work with I'll check it out to see what they say. But I think they spend more time on their graphics than they do on getting people the information they need. I'm not for them or against them I just view them as there and it might help people.

Board Insiders: They have a GREAT concept but unfortunately poor implementation. Fuck these guys in the ass with their camera. Rarely do they ever get the terminology of the tech they're reviewing right. I didn't know that Never Summer had Banana C2 with Magnetraction or whatever it was that they messed up. If you're going to be a supposed "authority" on products you should know what the fuck you're talking about. Carpet flex reviews? Watch a video and you can see what I mean. Plus they're always late on getting things out. What good is a review of a deck after Black Friday or the X Mas rush? Also from seeing these guys at industry events it looks like they're always begging for hand outs. Also what's up with the unquantifiable numbers they give? Shred Cred? Seriously do you see any under a 90 on there it's like everything they ride is the best.

Snowboard-Reviews: I've had a few run ins with these guys. I love their concept of video reviews and think they actually do a far better job than Board Insiders, mainly because they get their shit done faster and do understand tech. Downside they're British those accents at times are just horrible. Also they're instructors which I view as the bane of snowboarding tech advances since they all ride like robots and seem to always push camber on people. Plus I question their brand allegiances only due to a run in I had with them about my thoughts on the current state of Rossignols marketing. Also don't like that there's reviews of shit they don't ride, if you didn't ride it don't put a review!

The Good Ride: Where to begin with these guys. This site was created solely to boost an online ad revenue stream in my opinion. The guy that runs it is a tool, I met him last year at a demo in Utah and the shit coming out of his mouth was fucking hilarious to say the least. They use unquantifiable numbers which mean fuck all, the shit is vague, and generally shit is just so all over the place. I would trust this about as much as a monkey trying to put a condom on me while I'm fucking an aids infested crack slut. Long ago he asked me to back him and as I don't see him bringing anything new to the table or offering anything great I basically told him to fuck off in my true fashion. Reviews of stuff they didn't ride so they can push online affiliate advertising is lame as fuck as well.

Angry Snowboarder: After four and a half years of doing this I can safely say I hate this thing with every ounce of my being. It has cost me jobs, friendships, my health, my retirement package, my credit score, and countless other things. Yet at the same time I love it and would never change my attempt to bring you guys the most comprehensive snowboard site int he universe. The struggles to keep this thing going have all been worth it and honestly if it wasn't for you guys I wouldn't continue doing it.

Reviews fucking suck and I hate doing them but until someone can actually fill the void and do them to a level I feel comfortable recommending people to I will continue to lead on trying to be number 1. After all if you're not first you're last.

Every year is a challenge with the site and last year was the worst by far. Dislocating an elbow on X mas day going into review season dampened the amount of reviews I could bang out. Add to that the worst winter ever, companies not having product, and all these upstart sites that haven't been mentioned on here going after free hand outs in the guise of reviews it was just hard. The year before I did 100 reviews in 100 days (think it was like 113 actually), it worked and proved that the boundaries you could do things can be pushed beyond an acceptable level.

The ability to adapt year after year and change is the biggest challenge I face. Going into the 2013/14 review season which starts in about 2 weeks we're going in a new direction. There will be video reviews, written reviews, and specials. Think of it as UK Top Gear but for snowboarding and without the accents but that sense of humor. It's a huge under taking in itself and I've done a lot of things to line this all up. We have our version of The Stig lined up called The Stoke. We're aiming for 200 snowboard reviews, 50 pairs of bindings, and a shit load of humor.

Contrary to what one really mentally unstable snowboard company says, the site is self financed and the ad revenue it generates is next to nothing. The contracts that I have in place are written specifically to continue to give me full control over reviews good, bad, or indifferent as well as all editorial content. Unlike some people I'm not afraid to bite the hand that feeds me, I like to let people know I'm still hungry. Also I can't stress this point enough with all the gear we go through I try to return 90% of it to companies in terms of hard goods. Just to give you guys some frame of reference a certain company dug the fact I liked one of their premiere models and offered to give me a head to toe set up if I backed it as my number 1 choice and daily ride, I told them I was content with my Arbor and that free gear didn't sway me, they stopped talking to me after that. Now outerwear is a different story, I don't return that to companies because who wants crusty gear after I've taken it in a hot tub/sauna to test breathability and waterproofing? What I try to do with the left over gear is pay it forward to the less fortunate around the county, this will probably be the only time I mention this as I don't want a pat on the back or any recognition for this it's just my belief that if you get free gear you should pay it forward with no strings attached. I will say though watch out for people that get constant freebies from companies and seem to push their products hard. Only take what you need that's my advice.

So in short this is my master thesis on snowboard reviews, demos, free gear, and hookers. If you ever have a direct question my email is [email protected] I try to answer anything that comes in, but as the name of the site states I'm a bit angry.
 

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Almost every snowboard review I've seen is pure crap and almost 100% subjective.

The only time I care about reviews is when people who actually bought the gear complaining about something breaking and have pictures to show what.

That being said. I've been riding for a long time and I already know exactly what I'm looking for in a board.

My largest debate comes from brand decisions when I can't ride the boards myself.

Which is why I buy almost everything from Backcountry.com or REI since both places will take things back even after I've ridden them a couple days.

I don't abuse that privilege because I really enjoy being able to take a chance and not follow the herd.
 

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I think in general one of the problems with sites like The Good Ride is their lack of detail and transparency of the review process. They don't disclose who specifically reviewed what, what the conditions were, or the preferred riding style and experience level of the reviewer. As others have pointed out, snowboarding preferences are highly subjective, and without this information I think the reviews become almost meaningless. With Angry, Agnarchy, and even most of the individual reviews on this site, you get this information. Of course, demoing stuff yourself is undoubtedly a more reliable way evaluate something, but for those of us who don't have easy access to much gear, quality reviews can provide valuable insight.

Related to this, I find general user reviews from retail websites and the like are also nearly worthless for anything more than vague indications of the likelihood of defects and failures (assuming there are enough reviews), or perhaps indications of the retailer's customer service.
 

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Any theories why the Good Ride disables their comments on Youtube? What kind of lazy crap is that?
Could be as simple as the fact that they click the “this video is intended for kids” box, which disables the comments.
Could also be that they want to do without the drama and shit-flinging that automatically comes with social media.
Not defending them, just two theories.
 

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Could be as simple as the fact that they click the “this video is intended for kids” box, which disables the comments.
Could also be that they want to do without the drama and shit-flinging that automatically comes with social media.
Not defending them, just two theories.
Well much respect to @BurtonAvenger for always responding
 
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