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I am trying really hard to get boots that fit. Really really hard. Salomon boots sadly were a bust due to manufacturing design issues in my size, so I went with 32 TM-2's. Compared to the Salomon Lo Fi's, I immediately had extreme tightness and pain on the top of my foot. Should I just return them and try other boots?
 

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Yeah I wear extremely thin darn tough snow socks. I tried the boots on again and I just can't stand it. I never felt pain or tightness this extreme before, and the top of my foot is actively pushing the liner tongue up and out of where it should rest. These must not be the right fit for me I guess, I tried pulling the tongues out from the boot as much as possible just to see if I still felt pain and I did.

Also the TM-2's I got have dual boa instead of traditional laces. I wonder if I have a high instep but whenever I look into info for that, everything I found is about arches and not instep. I think my arches are normal but the top of my foot might just be too high.

I had Salomon LoFi's in the same size that I had to return due to a design flaw that makes the boot unusable, but they were tight and comfortable right out of the box and felt perfect for my foot. Vans Infuse also in half a size up were great, but still had heel lift so I am going to try Vans Aura Pro's in my true size.
 

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I made a post about it initially but no one seemed to know about it. The str8jkt system, which is the only harness/mechanism holding the liner in the boot and is designed for maximum heel hold, was too small. The red material that makes up the harness only reached about halfway over the top of the foot. This isn't an issue with my foot either, the material could not cover the top of the foot area even with no foot in the boot. Here was my post and photo about it:


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Salomon Lo Fi: Is the Boa Str8Jkt system supposed to be...

It either is a design issue this year, or a manufacturing issue on this size (7). Both the left and right boot had the issue so I see it as probably a design issue and not just a random defect. They fit so comfortably and I wanted to love them so much. But they just had a major flaw that prevents them from being used in any way. From what I have seen and researched, that red strap is supposed to completely cover the foot. But when this is tightened down, it's still too loose while providing severe pain from the areas not covered by the red strap.

This is the coverage you should get.:


This video shows how big the harness really his and how it should be:
 

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Sorry I must have missed the Ride rec! Maybe next season if the Vans Aura Pro work out for me. I don't think my instep is high, will try to post pics. But I took out out the tm-2 liner and isolated the issue to the tongue foam just being extremely stiff. The rest of the liner feels like typical liner, but the tongue is like stone. Is that normal? Figure heat mold would fix anyway, but I really am not going to risk heat molding these if I know Vans already fit me much better based on my experience with Infuse.
 

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Yeah that's what I said I did, that's how I know it's the liner lol. I can pull the shell liner pretty far away from the liner and notice that it was not what was causing problems. I took the liner out and tried it on with no shell and it was extremely uncomfortable. The tongue of the liner is stiff even if just touching it with my hand. The rest of the liner is solf and malleable, while the tongue feels like it's frozen. Maybe it was stored poorly in a warehouse for a long time. But it seems odd to have only a liner on my foot, with no tightening or laces because this is outside the shell, be so uncomfortable and downright painful.
 

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Both definitely. I think it's intentionally like this and would pack out or be fixed with heat molding, but my foot feels zero hints of comfort in this thing. I know boots should be snug but I also know they shouldn't be painful all around your foot before riding or molding. The other pain is just from the general tightness but the material does not feel comfortable. Like a Vans or Salomon liner in the same size will be just as tight but not feel like death to my feet.
 

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Yeah for sure not worth the trouble I think since I already know other boots that don't have this issue for me. The low toe box was certainly noticeable to me. I'll see how the Vans Aura Pro goes.

On that note, I hate that companies upgrade everything as price goes up. For example, the Vans Infuse has their top of the line most comfortable liner, but that boot is pretty stiff and not for everyone's style. Their more freestyle focused boots cost less, but also have a liner that is the next step down, which has slightly less comfort and features.
 

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I tried the TM-2's on again because I was so distracted by the tightness and pain that i didn't check heel hold. I can easily pull my heel out and if hold my boot down and stand on my toes. Weird, my ankle sucks ass.
 

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Yeah, I feel the same. But I am also in the boat where every boot in my size causes numbness and pain within 10 minutes, especially on top of the foot. I might have to go up half a size and start adding foam to compensate.

I'll let you know how I feel about the slime tongue when the Lasso Pro arrives, But I probably dig it. I love easier tongue velcro systems with liners, like that tongue and the way Vans does it.
 

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Just gonna take a moment to again say I wish the Salomon Lo Fi's didn't have a defect, it's by far my favorite boot I've ever tried on. Don't want to order the same size from Salomon and wait a week again only to find out it's not a one-off issue.
 

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Yeah, these liners shouldn't pack out. I just get really bad toe bang in those liners.

Got a bit better with a bontex board, but they just fit a bit bigger imho. Who the F even knows...
So I got the Burton Photon Boa and Ride Lasso Pro today. Both are eh. Photon pinches super tight and stiff around the heel, but it's way too low and way too painful. It's an odd grip position and my heel can slip out super easily.

The Lasso Pro's are pretty nice and I like wearing them more, but it has almost nothing internally gripping my heel. Not sure how to properly test it without actually riding though.

I triied on the Burton Photons again and it's more comfortable than the first time, and has better hold than the Lasso Pro's. Construction quality is also 10/10 compared to the Lasso Pro's. Lassos got uneven sloppily glued on soles, cuffs and tongue different shapes and not centered, velcro on one line missing a stitching, and some stitching on one liner has a loose thread. That all will probably amount to not many issues over the lifetime of the boot, but I hate paying $350+ for a pair of boots and not having the quality of construction to show for it. Meanwhile the Burtons are immaculate, and also I love that they use metal rings for the liner harness. It makes the lace slip through easily and you never need a pull tab to loosen those laces, your foot just slips right out.

The Burtons are pretty stiff though and the tongue of the liner was almost painful when I tried leaning my shins forward. I might stick with the Lassos this season if the K2 Maysis isn't any better tomorrow.

Also, the Lasso Pro liner is pretty sweet. That wrap around is convenient, but I'm always worried about a liner that has no harness in the shell. Over time I worry about it being too loose.

How do you check for heel hold by the way? Usually I don't get any when I just stand like I am riding and lean into a fake toeside turn. But if I take my foot off the ground and point my toes, I can feel how easily I slip out of a boot, and usually it feels super loose. That's my go-to test. The Lasso Pros were much looser in that regard.
 

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That is not a simulation that compares to what happens while snowboarding. Probably doing that made you decide against several boots that would have been fine.

Lasso and Photons are both great options though. I have a set of photons that's causing me pain in the heel as well but the heel hold is ridiculously good. I put a tennis ball in it against the J bars last night to see if it'll help. They did get better after heat molding but it was still painful. I'm confident the tennis ball might fix my heel pinch issue.
I'm thinking about keeping the Photons if the K2 Maysis that arrive today aren't as good. You're right about the hold simulation. Between the Photon and the Lasso Pro, The Photon is overall more comfortable but it has that somewhat painful heel pinch. The Lasso Pro just feels like nothing one way or another; not comfortable but not uncomfortable. Definitely less heel hold though.

I'll get the Photon heat molded but not sure if it will matter how my shop does it. They use 32's heat devices and Burton recommends only using something called a therm-ic heater that authorized Burton sellers have. My shop doesn't sell Burton anything though.
 

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Discussion Starter · #49 · (Edited)
K2 Maysis too stiff above my toes and the conda system kills the top of my foot, rip

The Photon so far has been the most comfortable and felt the most snug around the ankle and heel. My worry is longevity since it has no articulation and I've seen that it crumbles and becomes weak quickly. But oh well, it fits. I wish some high tech liner was invented where there is a harness internally that wraps around your foot and pulls it into the liner. Seems tricky though.
 

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Got the photons heat fit just now. Numb feet after 5 minutes while fitting. Yeah my feet SUCK. I don't even know where the problem is but eventually my toes feel so painful and bulging

Also not sure why but the internal j-bars are uneven between feet and I don't think it's from molding. They have the same height in the left foot but in the right one is super low compared to the other. Might be causing the pinch because that foot was much number than the other.
 
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