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In order to move on to 180s and 360s jumps, I need to learn switch. I can't seem to do it correctly, and I can't even link turn on goofy. When I begin on goofy, I think I'm just scared, but I'm not sure. Tips? Iv'e used two months of trying to get it, but I still can't.

I can ride regular perfectly, according to my class teacher.
 

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Hey im learning how to ride switch too rite now but i've found that just going to the beginner hill and forcing yourself to ride switch helps a lot. I just go real slow and go on an edge across the whole trail, come to a very slow speed and the end and then ride the other edge all the way across. It feels awkward at first and your body is gonna try and force you to ride normal again but no matter how weird it feels just stay switch. (Unless you are way out of control and are going to crash.) It will eventually feel more natural but it does take some time.
 

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stop riding regular, set up your bindings in a goofy stance. im doing it, you feel and look retarded but thats the only way to learn. focus on your fundamentals, steering with your feet and keeping centered over the board.
 

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Went out on Sunday and dedicated the entire day to learning butters and riding switch. By the end of the day I got down a blue run (White Pass, WA) but was still throwing my back foot around to help turn.

I read somewhere on this site to think of it as riding a new stance instead of riding backwards. Reminding myself that I wasn't riding backwards helped me out a lot.
 

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I read somewhere on this site to think of it as riding a new stance instead of riding backwards. Reminding myself that I wasn't riding backwards helped me out a lot.
quoted for truth.

oh and practice

practice

practice

keep practicing switch forever.

forever.
 

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In order to move on to 180s and 360s jumps, I need to learn switch. I can't seem to do it correctly, and I can't even link turn on goofy. When I begin on goofy, I think I'm just scared, but I'm not sure. Tips? Iv'e used two months of trying to get it, but I still can't.

I can ride regular perfectly, according to my class teacher.
Have you tried the exercises/tasks that you did with your class teacher but riding switch instead? Sometimes people try to jump straight into learning switch by mimicing what they currently can do in their regular forward stance. Breaking it down to simpler tasks like a straight traverse, j-turns, garlans, etc. can help. Also the size of the turn attempting can make a difference.

Also to help you out better more detail to what happens when you try to ride switch helps. i.e. when do you fall toe to heel, or heel to toe? Do you fall down the hill or up the hill? etc...
 

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Have you tried the exercises/tasks that you did with your class teacher but riding switch instead? Sometimes people try to jump straight into learning switch by mimicing what they currently can do in their regular forward stance. Breaking it down to simpler tasks like a straight traverse, j-turns, garlans, etc. can help. Also the size of the turn attempting can make a difference.

Also to help you out better more detail to what happens when you try to ride switch helps. i.e. when do you fall toe to heel, or heel to toe? Do you fall down the hill or up the hill? etc...
When I was in a class, I did ask to ride switch, but I'll notice the rest of those things.

Thanks everyone!
 

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I'm currently practicing riding switch and my biggest issue is that I go back-seat if I don't concentrate. As soon as I focus on moving my weight forward, things are good again.
 

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Like Donutz said and I still have to do this as well. I can tell when my weight is centered or leaning back. I actually have to move my weight forward.
If I recall correct I just started with falling leaf. That came fast 1/2 hour, then I went right into "large" linked turns. As I got more comfortable I tightened them up, if needed I would flip to my normal stance (goofy) to save a fall or just regain my composure and then start again.

Keep at it and as mentioned above, it is learning all over as a newbie, not riding backwards. Also are you "duck stance" this helps a ton.
 

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i'm learning to ride switch so i can do a 180/360 jumps too. but as for now i ride switch(i ride regular 12/-3 angle).what i've been practicing is to ride goofy going heelside then spin 180 to regular toeside,carve across the fall line,spin to goofy then turn goofy toeside go across the fall line,carve on heelside goofy and repeat again. i'd also just carve across the hill goofy on shorter turns especially when the hill gets crowded with people.cannot do 180 on small natural side hits yet but i can jump, do 180 when i stop from a carve going uphill:laugh: i guess i'll keep trying... as for tips riding switch,don't look down when riding switch it will mess you up! look ahead and position your body as like your riding regular.not sure what your binding angles are but your head will start to adjust to it once you keep at it. you can always switch back to regular to avoid crash like slyder says then start over again.
 

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I started working on learning switch a few weeks ago. Go somewhere easy. Practice heel side turns and toe side turns separately switch to get the feel of it. I practiced garlands switch before trying to link turns. Looking over my shoulder helps me turn. Also leaning my boot on the front of my front binding to push the weight forward. I was surprised to link turns and now I'm practicing on a little steeper (easy) stuff. I'm doing a lot of the bad stuff I did learning to ride but I figure it will smooth out.
 

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I'll use all this advice! It's such a nice today, so I'm going to strengthen my right foot, by doing certain stretches. Let's hope I can go boarding soon.
 

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It turns out that my board wasn't meant for riding switch. It's not in possible on this board, it's just harder.

I still want to learn though. I'm going to blue mountain tomorrow!
 

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I've been improving my switch recently, and I find that I am leaning into the back seat a lot. On mellower pitches, it doesn't really affect my riding much, but then as soon as I hit something steeper, it kills me unless I actively balance my weight center (which feels like I'm hanging over a cliff..)

One other thing I can note is do drills where you only do heelside(or toeside) turns, which involves half switch and half normal, and changing the two with 180's. Toeside is fine for me, but the heelside is the hard one.

Semi related, but I find when I'm doing flatland 180's, I pop off an edge and generally land 170 or so on an edge. I can ride it out, but it doesn't feel/look clean. Any tips?
 

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not sure if this was mentioned, but this is what an instructor gave as a tip that helped me get used to the transition. i passed it to my friend and he said it helped him a lot too.

if you know how to do circles on your board (regular -> heel -> goofy -> toe -> regular), try going across the slope on an edge, then when you transition back across the other way, do a circle so that you're again on the same edge going in the opposite direction. practice this both on your heels and toes. it really helps you get used to the feel of manipulating your board.

hope it helps!
 

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I tried it last time I was up. I was showing someone how to link turns, and they were goofy. I said fuck it, let me show them their way, and went switch the whole way down. Just doing J turns mostly. Then spinning 360's on the snow.

For me it's the confidence. When gaining speed switch, I get nervous like I used to when learning the first time. I tell myself. It's 1/10 the speed you go normally. So don't panic, steer with the front foot and bleed off speed when making a toe side turn. It helped me at least. Still not good at it, but gaining confidence.
 

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I am not a fan of the "ride everything all day switch" approach personally. While this *may* work for some people, it will not for the majority. One thing to remember when learning anything new is the main reason that we snowboard and that is because it is fun. It is well established fact that all people learn better when they are having fun while learning. Sorry, but switching your bindings around, skating, riding the chairlift and doing everything all day switch is just not going to be a fun day for most.

In my experience, the number one reason people are not proficient at switch riding is because they are having way more fun riding in their primary stance and so really never get around to learning to ride switch. What needs to change that dynamic is to make the switch riding fun. A major ingredient to this fun is safety. When someone feels safe, they are willing to take on new challenges and actually have doing it. If the person is slamming every time they try to make a turn they are going to get frustrated at the least or injured at the worst.

So, first and foremost when learning anything new, dial back the terrain. Do not try to ride switch on the terrain you are having fun on riding primary. Sorry guys, but this DOES mean turning off the ego and heading over to the bunny hill. Just like when you first learned to ride, you really should go through all of the tasks staring with your J turns to stop then progressing to Garland turns. Finally, complete turns to a stop before fully linking large radius basic skidded switch turns. You will have to pay attention to all of your fundamental movements just like when you first learned. The good news though is you already have a good understanding of what works and what doesn't and how it SHOULD feel to you so your learning curve will be faster; much faster.

With that said, you do have to understand that for MOST people, riding switch will probably never feel equal to your primary stance. Some people are fortunate in that they are totally ambidextrous in this area, but most are not. Another consideration is your equipment. Any board can be ridden switch; period. It is just that your twins, directional twins will handle almost identical either way while directional boards with directional flex and sidecuts are going to handle different ridden switch.

Once you take about an hour or two getting your very basic switch turns down on the bunny hill, you should be "good enough" to begin to incorporate switch riding into your every day riding. The ting to do is to have fun riding the terrain you like to ride and in those sections that are super easy and mellow, spin that board and ride those sections switch. When the terrain reaches your limit, switch back to primary. Make this fun not torture! Do not over think it or brow beat yourself about your switch riding, but do it every day and every run at least for some distance in an area that you can. If you do this consistently, over the course of a season, you will riding a lot more terrain switch comfortably than you would have imagined you would be and at faster speeds.

A terrific "task" you can do to help you move into more switch riding and also happens to be fun to do is the Flat Spin 360 or "helicopter". This movement teaches you really good edge control and timing for switch and primary. In every flat spin 360 as you spin your way down the run, you are spending half of your time riding switch. This maneuver teaches you turn entry and completion every revolution and turn entry is generally the most difficult thing for the new switch rider to deal with. Spend some time doing these flat spin 360`s in both directions and the try to ride an easy green switch and I suspect you will notice it feels easier to you.

Above everything else such as good (new) front foot steering and weight distribution, make this something that is fun to do!
Great advice as always. I took the fun idea a step further, after a few basic J turns switch, and I felt almost ready to link turns, I started doing 1s into switch road switch for a few turns 180 out. It made it easier to want to stay on the bunnies and practice.
 

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I don't know how much I can help (not the best teacher) but my switch riding is nearly as strong as my regular, I've recently been doing some cab 7s.

Basically what I did to learn switch riding well was practice. We always ride 95% park, but whenever we did runs, I rode whatever it was switch the whole way. Everytime I wasn't in the park I was riding switch. Then just bring all those carving skills you do regular and apply them to switch. It will feel weird at first throwing your weight the other way but it comes quite quickly if your regular riding is already solid.

Sorry if that doesn't help, like I said, not the best teacher :laugh:
 
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