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My TM2's are going to be warrantied shortly and I'm trying to figure out if I want to go that route again or if I want to try one of the different models. I found the TM2 to fit me pretty well, but I'm looking for something that'll last me the next 3-5 years since I'll likely only get 100-120 days out in this duration.

I'm intrigued by the XLT for the beefier sole and construction and the TM3 for the better toe caps (less stitching) and flexibility differences.

I ride mostly groomed trails and some glades and haven't done any back country stuff yet but might want to in the future. I'm mostly looking for something comfortable that's stiff and can hold its shape for a decent while. I don't expect the stiffness to be the same on day 1 as day 120 but that's fine with me.

Anyone have any opinions on any of the boots, especially the TM3's? I feel like those are the odd ones out at this time.

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The XLT's used to be about the same stiffness but I think are stiffer than the regular TM2 as of last year. They're also a little bit heavier.

I have the Jones version of the XLT that is the same price but adds the half-gaiter that I don't care about and a reinforced plastic toe box and the Velcro ankle strap that I love.

Since I'm tall and heavy and work my boots pretty hard I go for the XLT and they've been holding up really well. I got about 60 days on my first pair (with no Velcro strap) and they've softened some but are plenty rideable and great for park or lazy resort days. The new ones with the Velcro strap should last longer I think. I never have to retie the laces now and the boots feel perfect all day.
 

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Can't compare to the TM2 or TM3.

I have the XLT, 2 seasons, used it maybe 50 days (other days I use the MTB), and I don't recognize softening so far. It's a great stiff resort freeride boot, also for bc ventures. It has a reasonably stiff sturdy sole for bootpacking, holds semi-automatic crampons, too. Only for hitting steps in crusty/icy steeps, I prefer the straight sole of MTB, or just use crampons.

However, the stiff sole may be something you need to get used to. Fine tuning with toes is a bit restricted compared to boots with less sturdy soles.
 

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I feel like I'm at a crossroads right now because of the issue I had with my TM2's. I think I might have just received a dud pair because the stitching at the toes came apart AND one of the metal grommets holding the hooks on for the laces snapped and is putting a hole in the tongue. All with about 13 days on the mountain. Both issues on same boot. Other boot looks totally new.

The XLT's look like a solid option for me, but I'm worried about the toe stitching coming apart again. The TM3's look like they may actually have a fully molded toe so this shouldn't be an issue with them. The better sole and the boost strap of the XLT is pretty appealing though.

Maybe I just got a totally dud pair and should quit worrying about this?
 

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I feel like I'm at a crossroads right now because of the issue I had with my TM2's. I think I might have just received a dud pair because the stitching at the toes came apart AND one of the metal grommets holding the hooks on for the laces snapped and is putting a hole in the tongue. All with about 13 days on the mountain. Both issues on same boot. Other boot looks totally new.

The XLT's look like a solid option for me, but I'm worried about the toe stitching coming apart again. The TM3's look like they may actually have a fully molded toe so this shouldn't be an issue with them. The better sole and the boost strap of the XLT is pretty appealing though.

Maybe I just got a totally dud pair and should quit worrying about this?
On my old TM-2's a grommet rivet popped after a season and a half and I epoxied it back on. I think the reason it popped was because I caught a lace under the grommet and torqued it. But that's the only problem on three pairs I've had, so sounds like a dud to me.
 

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Started the process to warranty my defective boots and shop is trying to see if I can swap them for 32 branded outerwear instead.
Reason being I already bought a different set of boots after waiting for 32 to respond to my emails for a while.

Ended up getting TM3's. Stoked.
 

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2 days on the TM3s and I love them. I added some padding to the tongue and put in some small heel lifts to get my skinny ankles into the heel pocket. Also using shred soles.

I thought the inserts were going to be gimmicky but I'm now wondering if they make stiffer ones. Today I rode with them in the morning and took them out in the afternoon. The yup felt awesome with them off. I felt like I was just grooving.

Super stoked on them.

Only negative is grip on ice.

Evo has them for 280 for last years model. Just get them if they have your size. I went with a size 8 and I'm really glad that I did. My TM2s were definitely a size too big.
 

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@ridethecliche glad your sorted the boot stuff out. It’s such a stressful thing lol
It's kinda sorta figured out. After 2 awesome days, my left big toe just got railed today for some reason. I don't think I had my laces tight enough. With the heel wedge, I'm right in the heel pocket which is awesome, but I'm like... now semi curious what 7.5's would feel like lol.

Also re the TM2's I'm trying to get the warranty on because of the broken hooks, the shop and 32 seem to be stalling. If I don't get a resolution this week, I'm going to call my CC and start the process for a chargeback. It's been over a month of this and I bought at a local shop so they could handle the bs if anything happened. Tired of being made to wait here...

And if you're an 8/8.5/11.5/13, here's a link to get these for 290.

And if anyone wants a used pair of 8.5 xlts, I was watching this auction on ebay. Hard to beat at this price at this condition!

 

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This is a weird question... but does anyone have a rec for something to coat the toes and/or stitching with? I was trying to put my boot under the heel cup of the binding on the lift today and kicked the edge by mistake and nicked the rubber of the toe about it. I can obviously be a bit more careful (and yes these things are meant to take a beating) but I'd like to idiot proof them a bit. They were pretty pricey and I'd like them to last me till the end of residency. I'm only going to be riding 20-30 days a season, so I have a feeling getting 3-5 years out of them isn't totally out of the question.

I have a feeling next year is going to be a fair bit more rough than this year in terms of schedule anyway.
 

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Sounds like already resolved, but dropping my input to not bother with TM2 XLTs. They are super overkill if you're not focused on backcountry or looking for a pretty stiff inbounds boots. They're my dedicated splitboarding boots. They're not Driver X Malamute stiff, but especially out of box they're pretty darn stiff. They were also the worst break-in experienced I've ever had with a boot. I break in most boots in 3-4 days, and maybe the first half day REALLY sucks. XLTs took me 10+ days on snow to take the edge off, including 3-4 days touring. BRUTAL break in, first 5-6 days were awful. I usually ride to break in, but I should have just heat molded those.

They also have a huge footprint and overall bulk that's a pain in the ass (I got sized out of the medium bindings I typically use) and I've run into a few problems where the heel welt in the rear is too high and gets jammed up against the heel loop. Thankfully they're fine with my split setup, but I have to be really careful which bindings and boards I pair these with. I booted out for the first time in years wearing these things.
 

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This is a weird question... but does anyone have a rec for something to coat the toes and/or stitching with? I was trying to put my boot under the heel cup of the binding on the lift today and kicked the edge by mistake and nicked the rubber of the toe about it. I can obviously be a bit more careful (and yes these things are meant to take a beating) but I'd like to idiot proof them a bit. They were pretty pricey and I'd like them to last me till the end of residency. I'm only going to be riding 20-30 days a season, so I have a feeling getting 3-5 years out of them isn't totally out of the question.

I have a feeling next year is going to be a fair bit more rough than this year in terms of schedule anyway.
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Sounds like already resolved, but dropping my input to not bother with TM2 XLTs. They are super overkill if you're not focused on backcountry or looking for a pretty stiff inbounds boots. They're my dedicated splitboarding boots. They're not Driver X Malamute stiff, but especially out of box they're pretty darn stiff. They were also the worst break-in experienced I've ever had with a boot. I break in most boots in 3-4 days, and maybe the first half day REALLY sucks. XLTs took me 10+ days on snow to take the edge off, including 3-4 days touring. BRUTAL break in, first 5-6 days were awful. I usually ride to break in, but I should have just heat molded those.

They also have a huge footprint and overall bulk that's a pain in the ass (I got sized out of the medium bindings I typically use) and I've run into a few problems where the heel welt in the rear is too high and gets jammed up against the heel loop. Thankfully they're fine with my split setup, but I have to be really careful which bindings and boards I pair these with. I booted out for the first time in years wearing these things.

Right... I use the XLT as resort boot (as I bootpack often), and MTB as split boot. The brutal break in experience in you mention, I had with the MTB. That one was really really stiff out of the box. After that, the XLT didn't appear that bad to break in anymore :). All a matter of what one is used to, right?

And yes, the booting out I know too, from the MTB. Seems as if me boards are wide enough to suit the XLT, which, compared to super bulky MTB, still has a tad of footprint reduction.

Have never tried the TM2, but sounds as if indeed is only for those who have a need for those boots, and/or wide boits. I love them for their stiffness and sturdy sole which are good to hit steps and climb.
 

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I had a good time in my TM3's on day 1-2 but on day 3 i ended up with a black toe. Probably because I didn't tighten my left boot after leaving the house. I usually tie gently when leaving the house and tie on for real when I get to the mountain. Never forgetting that again.

One negative was that I was slipping a fair amount on the icy part of the lift line. I feel like that hasn't happened before with the TM2's. On the other hand the break-in was pretty reasonable aside from my mistake. Taking out the inserts made a way bigger difference than I anticipated as well, which was nice. I'm now wondering if they make other inserts that are stiffer for the future.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the boots so far ~3 days in. I did nick some of the rubber on the toe with my edge which is why I wanted the rec for something to fill that with. I don't see it becoming an issue. I just need to remember to hold my board under the heel cup if I do it on the lift. Or maybe it swung around when I slipped on the ice.
 

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Are the heel hold butterfly wraps for the liner a better way to make the heel cup work for smaller heels than the heel lifts? I have heel lifts in my boots and while my heel lift is improved, it has the side effect of making the boots 'longer' and I've had toe bang a few times. I wanted to see if fixing the lift in a different way might be better overall.
 

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Are the heel hold butterfly wraps for the liner a better way to make the heel cup work for smaller heels than the heel lifts? I have heel lifts in my boots and while my heel lift is improved, it has the side effect of making the boots 'longer' and I've had toe bang a few times. I wanted to see if fixing the lift in a different way might be better overall.
Maybe.
There's no other answer other than try it and see if it works for you. I don't like the 'heel lift' inserts because they make my foot taller and i normally struggle with circulation cut-off from my arch.

For me, I always swap to Superfeet insoles and use heel C bars.

Those always help. I love the arch support and it brings my toes back a bit. Dont think I could ride all day without arch support. I also dont think I can ride any boot without the heel Cs. Maybe for a couple of days, but once the liner packs I get heel lift.
 

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There's no other answer other than try it and see if it works for you. I don't like the 'heel lift' inserts because they make my foot taller and i normally struggle with circulation cut-off from my arch.

For me, I always swap to Superfeet insoles and use heel C bars.

Those always help. I love the arch support and it brings my toes back a bit. Dont think I could ride all day without arch support. I also dont think I can ride any boot without the heel Cs. Maybe for a couple of days, but once the liner packs I get heel lift.

What are the heel C's youre referring to?

I'm running shred soles with the heel lifts right now. I like them a lot other than the extra space in the front now. Hell, I'd consider sticking some foam to the front if that fixed the issue (which i don't think it would so im not going to bother).
 

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What are the heel C's youre referring to?

I'm running shred soles with the heel lifts right now. I like them a lot other than the extra space in the front now. Hell, I'd consider sticking some foam to the front if that fixed the issue (which i don't think it would so im not going to bother).
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I have the TM3's so they have the heel hold kit. Sadly that's not high enough.

Wouldn't this be doing the same thing?

I feel like I might need to check out foam insoles for between the liner and my shredsoles. Maybe that'll help raise me into the correct spot without essentially shortening my foot.
 
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