[k3nzb]

2023 Custom used with Burton Genesis and Cartel X reflex bindings. This is after ~15 days but tbh it already looked like this after day 2 or 3.

Is this normal? I've never seen another board wear this bad (or this fast). The top layer of the topsheet seems to have been completely worn away in the areas where the binding exerts force through the board.

Kind of annoying as I tend to move my stance around a bit for different riding but now will end up with footprint all up and down the board. I have already widened my stance by a half inch so the inside heel damage on both feet is exposed.

Is this just trash materials from Burton?

 

[AC93]

No big deal, that's just binding rash. But i use Burton reflex bindings on most of my non Burton boards and never had these binding rashes. Maybe it's just the top sheet material they use on that Burton custom?

 

[Revvi]

Unfortunately, it’s normal.

Compounded by the fact that the baseplate of Burton bindings are hard plastic (especially at the corners) rubbing against the topsheet. vs other brands where the baseplate is covered with Plastic/Rubber/Eva so less abrasion occurs

 

[Craig64]

Beautiful topsheet design on this '23 Custom.

Burton Bindings excel in highback adjustment/rotation, canting, fit, manufacturing quality/componentry, warranty, performance and customer service however this is their one major draw back they have over others manufacturers like Union etc. The movement of the hard unprotected baseplate on the EST bindings whilst turning is creating unsightly compression marks on the topsheet.

The best and simplest way to address this is by making some templates and cutting out some thin adhesive backed felt protection pads and sticking them to the base of the binding. This does not change the binding performance and response any way and 100% protects the topsheet from the marks you have made. This is a 20 minute exercise once the templetes are made for your binding size. Note you have to invert the templetes when doing right to left so mark a side so you don't make 2 the same.

This adds a layer between the binding and the topsheet and will protect your board from damage. You can buy this cheap at Aldi when it comes on sale or go to Bunnings (sold in 300mm x 300mm sheet as well as shaped pieces).

Create some templates by tracing the binding and customising it to the underside of the baseplate. You need to bring felt around from the frame to the underside of the gas pedal area otherwise there will be a 2mm approx gap here.

Cut the felt with scissors and use a scalpel cutter to remove the EST binding screw slot area. With Re-Flex you do not have to worry about this area.

Here is my sons '13 Vapor. It has had around 100 days of riding on it over 8 years. He has always ridden with Genesis EST Large. There are a few scratches on it for one season before I made the felt pads for his bindings. My son (24) is a pretty aggressive risk taking rider always smashing it about.

Here is my '22 Show Stopper which has had 10 days riding on it. The current eco' friendly finishes on newer Burton snowboards are nowhere near as robust as the older polished resin topsheets. There is not a mark or dent on this board. I am around 98kg with outerwear and backpack etc and ride very aggressive AM/Freeride.

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[mjayvee]

Burton Bindings excel in highback adjustment and rotation, canting, fit, manufacture quality, warranty, performance and customer service however this is the one draw back with they have over others like Union etc. The best and simplest way to address this is by making some templates and cutting out some thin adhesive backed felt protection pads and sticking them to the base of the binding. This does not change the binding performance and response any way and 100% protects the topsheet from the marks you have made.

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This adds a layer between the binding and the topsheet and will protect your board from damage. You can buy this cheap at Aldi when it comes on sale or go to Bunnings (sold in sheet as well as shaped pieces).

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Create some templates by tracing the binding and customising it to the underside of the baseplate. You need to bring felt around from the frame to the underside of the gas pedal area otherwise there will be a 2mm approx gap here

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Cut the felt with scissors and use a scalpel cutter to remove the EST binding screw slot area. With Re-Flex you do not have to worry about this area.

I know you dearly love your Burton products, good sir.

But all that effort for not damaging your top sheet from simply mounting bindings is not for everyone.

Glad we both agree on [ak] though. I just cannot get on with Burton boards & bindings.

 

[thecadgod]

But all that effort for not damaging your top sheet from simply mounting bindings is not for everyone.

WORD!

@Craig64 you got access to Burton via a Profrom and buy your gear at a steep steep discount?

 

[Craig64]

WORD!

@Craig64 you got access to Burton via a Profrom and buy your gear at a steep steep discount?

No, just on a lot of emailing lists and always looking whats around the traps. I have an eye for what gear is available around the sites. Australia has a very tiny ski/snowboard retail market compared with the US of A and consequently we don't get large numbers of gear down here which often means it's hard to buy domestically. I'm semi interested in grabbing a black XL [ak] Hover pro and sell/replace my [ak] Cyclic, however, none are avaliable. Pretty lucky as I need gear on the XL size for men, XS for women as well as large size boards which are always the last to sell and will always be on EOS sales each year. There were some amazing deals (50% off) available with EOS sales when Covid shut down our Vic/NSW seasons in 20/21. I've grabbed a fair bit of gear/tuning tools from Snowinn at great prices over the years as well...., just have to factor in postage/shipment times.

 

[robotfood99]

They sell these things in Japan. Can be replicated with automotive PPF film.

 

[arbroadbent]

Damn.....just hits the hell outta his board with the hammer! jeez

 

[Anditwasstillhot]

I had the exact same thing happen to my Burton Hometown Hero. I sent a warranty claim to Burton and they gave me a new board.

 

[k3nzb]

I had the exact same thing happen to my Burton Hometown Hero. I sent a warranty claim to Burton and they gave me a new board.

Really? I might give that a go then.

Did it just happen again though?

 

[Anditwasstillhot]

Really? I might give that a go then.

Did it just happen again though?

Yah, was easy enough. Just go through the warranty stuff and they'll do it. You'll have to send your board in. I disagree with the Burton lovers, this shouldn't happen. Doesn't happen on any other board. Also, if the top sheet is important for how the board rides like companies claim (though I'm not sure I'd notice) seems to me that it would take away from the performance.

 

[Anditwasstillhot]

Yah, was easy enough. Just go through the warranty stuff and they'll do it. You'll have to send your board in. I disagree with the Burton lovers, this shouldn't happen. Doesn't happen on any other board. Also, if the top sheet is important for how the board rides like companies claim (though I'm not sure I'd notice) seems to me that it would take away from the performance.

Didn't happen again because I didn't give it a chance to and returned it after I got a new board and got a Jones Flagship instead.

 

[Craig64]

It's the exposed hard plastic on Burtons bindings that is causing this issue. Put the same bindings on a new board, it will happen again.

 

[k3nzb]

It's the exposed hard plastic on Burtons bindings that is causing this issue. Put the same bindings on a new board, it will happen again.

Thanks for your post above. If Burton do replace it I'll likely try something like this.

My only concern with the felt is that introducing a non-rigid material between the board and bindings must surely affect the efficiency of energy transfer and reduce responsiveness (even if only slightly).

I'm thinking something like 3M clear vinyl applied directly to the board might be better, like in the Japanese video linked above.

 

[Anditwasstillhot]

It's the exposed hard plastic on Burtons bindings that is causing this issue. Put the same bindings on a new board, it will happen again.

Not true as it didn't happen to my Flagship.

 

[k3nzb]

Not true as it didn't happen to my Flagship.

Yeah I'm also borrowing a friend's orca and used the same bindings and it looks good as new

 

[Craig64]

Thanks for your post above. If Burton do replace it I'll likely try something like this.

My only concern with the felt is that introducing a non-rigid material between the board and bindings must surely affect the efficiency of energy transfer and reduce responsiveness (even if only slightly).

I'm thinking something like 3M clear vinyl applied directly to the board might be better, like in the Japanese video linked above.

It's only about 1mm once felt compressed and tightened down and does nothing to affect binding response.

 

[k3nzb]

It's the exposed hard plastic on Burtons bindings that is causing this issue. Put the same bindings on a new board, it will happen again.

Tbh it's probably a combination of this + a junk topsheet from Burton.

You can see in the pics I posted that even the foam gas pedal has left a big mark. These areas feel almost like they have been polished smooth vs. the rest of the matte topsheet.

 

[Anditwasstillhot]

Tbh it's probably a combination of this + a junk topsheet from Burton.

You can see in the pics I posted that even the foam gas pedal has left a big mark. These areas feel almost like they have been polished smooth vs. the rest of the matte topsheet.

It really shouldn't happen. I am a fan of Burton stuff and love some Burton boards but seriously this shouldn't happen.