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Union force. Cartels are nice too. But I've had lots of friends had problems with the ladders.
 

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I have had both but sold the cartels because they were too stiff for me. What kind of riding do you do? And what kind of stiffness are you looking for?

I ride the 2013 force and I love how it feels but toe strap is a pain in the ass to pop loose riding up to the lift. If you can deal with that, then that's what I would suggest.
 

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Yea. It's just the toe strap that is tough sometimes.

But once you figure it out. It's always easy.

Instead of just pulling up on the one side of the buckle with your thumb. Pull AND PUSH down on the other side of the buckle. Pops out easy every time!
 

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Yea. It's just the toe strap that is tough sometimes.

But once you figure it out. It's always easy.

Instead of just pulling up on the one side of the buckle with your thumb. Pull AND PUSH down on the other side of the buckle. Pops out easy every time!
Nice tip! I will definitely try that out. Thanks
 

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Use it like a lever. Works every time. Made go from being annoyed with the binding to loving it.
 

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I Have a 2014 lib tech skate Banana. I can get the Forces pretty cheap. I would rather the Cartels. Any suggestions?
Both good bindings. It really comes down to fit and preference of feel/flex. I had a problem with the Burton strap twisting as it tightened and stripping the ladder.
 

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Love the Force I got last year.

If you go the Union route, take the time to dial them in. Everyone fits differently. Took me a few days of riding to really figure them out and get the settings right. Once I did I was completely happy with them and had no problems with getting them on/off, tight/loose, or any sort of pain.
 

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both are awesome bindings and u will be happy with either but i feel as though forces would be so much more ideal on a skate banana than the cartels. the flex pattern is better suited and will have a more natural flow. but depends on what style of riding ur into. cartels are better suited for an all-mountain style of riding as apposed to freestyle. malavitas would be more on point for freestyle.

love my forces, absolutely bomb-proof. going onto my 3rd season with them, well over 120 days and only needed to replace one ladder but that was only because i let my friend borrow the board and it came back folded/creased about 3cm from the tip of the ladder. it still clipped in just fine and there was nothing wrong with riding them like that but i have a bit of an OCD issue when it comes to things like that. i know a lot of people that went with cartels and parts were falling apart after about the 50 day mark. also not the biggest fan of canted footbeds.
 

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both are awesome bindings and u will be happy with either but i feel as though forces would be so much more ideal on a skate banana than the cartels. the flex pattern is better suited and will have a more natural flow. but depends on what style of riding ur into. cartels are better suited for an all-mountain style of riding as apposed to freestyle. malavitas would be more on point for freestyle.

love my forces, absolutely bomb-proof. going onto my 3rd season with them, well over 120 days and only needed to replace one ladder but that was only because i let my friend borrow the board and it came back folded/creased about 3cm from the tip of the ladder. it still clipped in just fine and there was nothing wrong with riding them like that but i have a bit of an OCD issue when it comes to things like that. i know a lot of people that went with cartels and parts were falling apart after about the 50 day mark. also not the biggest fan of canted footbeds.
Most of that post is just utter nonsense.
 

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I've got a 12/13 pair of forces and swapped out the union toe strap for a burton toe strap. Sure, it costs $40 more but hey. Do whatever makes you happy.

Ps: do what I did! ;)
 

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how could a post based off personal experience be utter nonsense?
it's quite difficult but you have come through in the clutch
Indeed, some real gems in his post:
  • "forces would be so much more ideal on a skate banana than the cartels" - not just better (which is already debatable) but so much more ideal. Me thinks not...
  • "flex pattern is better suited and will have a more natural flow" - Bullshit.
  • "cartels are better suited for an all-mountain style of riding as apposed to freestyle" - Nope.
  • "i know a lot of people that went with cartels and parts were falling apart after about the 50 day mark" - a lot of people, eh? One wonders then why there are so few people complaining about the longevity of Burton bindings here, on EL, etc. or why the return rates are considerably lower than for Union in our shops ...
 

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