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Upgrading my board, looking for a good board for carving both big and tight turns

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Sorry, I'm sure this type of question gets asked all the time... But I'm upgrading my board and I've narrowed it down to a few boards and brands I like:

First thing's first. I'm 6'2", 235lbs, size 12 boot, 39 years old. I would say my skill level is somewhere between intermediate and advanced. Definitely not an expert but I feel comfortable and confident on any black diamond... I can carve better than pretty much all of my friends--still not amazing at it though--but I can't do much in the park besides boxes (never had much interest) and I'm not good at jumps, but I'd like to get better at catching air off a good roller or smaller jump. Not really interested in big jumps.
My main style of riding is just carving, big turns, small turns, and cross-under. I also love going through the trees, and moguls. Also really want to start playing with Eurocarving. Been seeing these Japanese dudes on instagram and it just looks so fun. But my true love is going fast and holding an edge, especially when it's hard snow or ice. Something about the way it feels so perfectly balanced on that razor thin edge is meditative. I want to get better at moguls, but it's tough because everyone I go with hates moguls, so I don't get much practice. I want to improve my moguls because I find them really fun and think it's really impressive when someone can make moguls look clean and easy on a snowboard. I also enjoy powder days, but I live in the northeast so that's pretty much once or twice a season.
Okay so all of that being said, I find my current board too loose/floppy/unstable at high speeds. I want something stiffer, and faster. Speed is really the name of the game here. But I also really want something that can do quick turns as well in a tree run or mogul run.
I think I've chosen some okay boards for these purposes? I've been stalking the Jones Flagship for a couple years and I want it, but I guess I'm a little worried it might not be ideal for quick sliding turns like are necessary for moguls and tight tree runs??
Other boards I'm looking at are: Bataleon Goliath +, and Arbor Bryan Iguchi Pro Camber
I live kind of in the middle of nowhere so I don't really have an opportunity to demo these particular boards, so any insight into how well they would work for what I've described would be super helpful. THANKS!!!
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It’s all about compromise... stiffer & faster is essentially the opposite of tree’s & moguls. If you try to get one board to do it all, it’s not going to be great at anything.

What are you riding now?

Maybe keep your current board for trees & moguls and focus on a getting a stiffer bomber?

Once that itch is scratched look for a volume-shifted board for quick little turns. Or just get them both with end of season sales!
 

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It’s all about compromise... stiffer & faster is essentially the opposite of tree’s & moguls. If you try to get one board to do it all, it’s not going to be great at anything.

What are you riding now?

Maybe keep your current board for trees & moguls and focus on a getting a stiffer bomber?

Once that itch is scratched look for a volume-shifted board for quick little turns. Or just get them both with end of season sales!
Yeah I think you're right. Right now I have a 10 year old Arbor Formula which I've honestly never really liked. I got it because I had a smaller budget at the time, but regretted it ever since hahaha But you might be right about keeping it just for that very specific purpose of trees and moguls, but I honestly don't even like it for that unfortunately.
 

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Right now I have a 10 year old Arbor Formula which I've honestly never really liked.
Is that a rocker board? If so, it may be so bad that a Jack-of-all-trades could be an option… as it would indeed be so much better. It‘s a matter of perspective. When I hear stiff & fast I’m thinking over 50 mph, but you might be happy at 40 mph (which is usually plenty fast for me).
 

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Sounds like you want a short tailed bord: can carve hard on the edge, but will remain easy to point where you want and pivot at lower speed.

You can get away with an Iguchi for this kind of riding, because these boards can really do IF you have the skills and put out the effort. If you don't ride much switch and don't jump much, you should try something with a shorter tail.

I'm not an ice specialist, so I'll skip more specific recommandations 😛
 

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I love the arbor iguchi camber. I'm just not sure it's right for you at your weight and boot size.

I'd honestly look at boards like the lib tech dynamo. They'll have a little bit more waist width which will be really helpful with your boot size.
 

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I won't name specific models,but what I would look for would have the following attributes:
  • Middle of the road flex: too stiff isn't needed for ice and is detrimental to regulating your turn radius when high up on edge. It's also needed to keep some flex to stay ridable despide the following points
  • Looooong sidecut radius. With short radius you wouldn't have any support in the middle of the board when high up on edge
  • some torsional strength in tip and tail (3axis fiber glass, torsion box, carbon stringers, whatever tech providing added control of the twist of the tips)
  • shorter / flexier tail and maybe even pintail. This helps keeping the ability to man-handle the radius with tail loading or to pivot around back foot in the forest.
  • enough width so you don't boot drag, but not so much climbing on edge is too much of an effort.

Good luck in your search
 

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You may want to check out amplids centrifugal line for fast bombing. I have 164 flagship and the 159 pentaquark. The pentaquark at 159 is just more stable at speed - its a carving board for groomers though (def not trees / moguls), so you may want to check the other two in that line (surfari and unw8) - your boot size may be limiting on those also. Some others in diff threads have suggested getting a custom board at your specs - like a donek, tell em what you want and go from there.
 

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It’s super fun one but I wonder if I would have like the shorty wide more.
I ride the shorty 164 but not wide. 9.5 feet even at 6'2" and 230. Very versatile board, I do a lot of moguls and trees with it. Very good carver but as a pure carver the cheater would be better. You really aren't going to get a great high speed carver that will dance through the moguls. Strandas are generally softer tip/tail and stiffer under foot. They seem to respond best to powering off the tail

If you really want to get into serious eurocarving you are going to need to get into hard boots.

The way to get better in moguls is practice, practice, practice. It's not subtle. Dive the nose, hammer the edge down hard, pop off the tail. Really just a bunch of quick jumps from edge to edge. Most people get screwed up because you really have to lift up your back foot high and swing the board WAY under you onto toe side. . It's not a move used much anywhere else snow boarding. You can start on a pretty flat slope making very very short turns and actually popping up off the snow on each one so you look like a dolphin popping out of the water. Then find a slope half moguled so you can work at the edge then gradually work your way deeper and deeper in. Moguls are awesome fun on a board once it clicks. .
 

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Sorry, I'm sure this type of question gets asked all the time... But I'm upgrading my board and I've narrowed it down to a few boards and brands I like:

First thing's first. I'm 6'2", 235lbs, size 12 boot, 39 years old. I would say my skill level is somewhere between intermediate and advanced. Definitely not an expert but I feel comfortable and confident on any black diamond... I can carve better than pretty much all of my friends--still not amazing at it though--but I can't do much in the park besides boxes (never had much interest) and I'm not good at jumps, but I'd like to get better at catching air off a good roller or smaller jump. Not really interested in big jumps.
My main style of riding is just carving, big turns, small turns, and cross-under. I also love going through the trees, and moguls. Also really want to start playing with Eurocarving. Been seeing these Japanese dudes on instagram and it just looks so fun. But my true love is going fast and holding an edge, especially when it's hard snow or ice. Something about the way it feels so perfectly balanced on that razor thin edge is meditative. I want to get better at moguls, but it's tough because everyone I go with hates moguls, so I don't get much practice. I want to improve my moguls because I find them really fun and think it's really impressive when someone can make moguls look clean and easy on a snowboard. I also enjoy powder days, but I live in the northeast so that's pretty much once or twice a season.
Okay so all of that being said, I find my current board too loose/floppy/unstable at high speeds. I want something stiffer, and faster. Speed is really the name of the game here. But I also really want something that can do quick turns as well in a tree run or mogul run.
I think I've chosen some okay boards for these purposes? I've been stalking the Jones Flagship for a couple years and I want it, but I guess I'm a little worried it might not be ideal for quick sliding turns like are necessary for moguls and tight tree runs??
Other boards I'm looking at are: Bataleon Goliath +, and Arbor Bryan Iguchi Pro Camber
I live kind of in the middle of nowhere so I don't really have an opportunity to demo these particular boards, so any insight into how well they would work for what I've described would be super helpful. THANKS!!!
I’m in the same boat. 5th season riding. I’m gonna demo the Capita Mercury and Ride Shadowban this weekend. The ‘23’s are supposedly excellent do it all. Ice is a bit of a different story though. They both list sizes for 220+lb riders.
 
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