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So I have a predicament that I don't think I can go wrong on, but would appreciate the forum's input.

I currently own two brand new sets of bindings - 2011/12 Union Atlas' and 2012/13 Burton Cartels. I know these models have been debated back and forth and folks have their personal preferences. With that said, which pair should I keep?

Caveat about my riding - I'm 5'10 220 with 9.5 boot. I have a Rome Anthem 163. I ride all-Mtn but stay away from the terrain park and pipe (too many close calls on head injuries in the past). I love powder, bombing steeps, and cruising with a focus on improving my carving. With that said, which bindings should I stick with?

I could always hang onto both, but I'll probably stick with one and sell the other. What say you?
 

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Can't wait for the firestorm this thread will turn into.

I say keep the Cartels.

Let the knives come out now!
 

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Yea, I was hesitant to post this question, but could use some advice. I know I can't go wrong, but would appreciate some feedback. I'm sure it'll end with the knives but maybe we can be a little civil for a few posts!
 

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I'd keep the unions because I like the way the heel cup adjusts.

If you're thinking you may keep both, then why not test them and find out which ones you like best.

I'm reluctantly going to suggest you're probably not even going to notice the difference either way.
 

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Cartel's personally. The auto cant and the toe straps are just sexy. The Unions are great, but the tech is old. But really it's all a matter of preference. Some hate Union some hate Burton..ride what you enjoy.
 

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Cartel's personally. The auto cant and the toe straps are just sexy. The Unions are great, but the tech is old. But really it's all a matter of preference. Some hate Union some hate Burton..ride what you enjoy.
I am a fan of Burton's bindings too.
How do I know if I need canting?
How does auto cant work?
 

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I am a fan of Burton's bindings too.
How do I know if I need canting?
How does auto cant work?
If it's this years model is has auto canting. Canting basically has higher padding on the outside, and less on the inside of the binding. It looks like a wedge shape and theoretically it keeps your knees more in line with your hips to reduce fatigue and strain and give you a bit more pop.
 

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If it's this years model is has auto canting. Canting basically has higher padding on the outside, and less on the inside of the binding. It looks like a wedge shape and theoretically it keeps your knees more in line with your hips to reduce fatigue and strain and give you a bit more pop.
From what I remember, the amount of padding is equal on both sides. It's just that the inside padding is softer, compressing more under the weight of your body than the other side
 

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If it's this years model is has auto canting. Canting basically has higher padding on the outside, and less on the inside of the binding. It looks like a wedge shape and theoretically it keeps your knees more in line with your hips to reduce fatigue and strain and give you a bit more pop.
Good. So it sounds like everybody would benefit from canting. Right?
 

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Like stated before both bindings are awesome and you can't go wrong here so here are my pros and cons first.

Union, Pros; base plates are bomb proof, best sole length adjustment around, aluminum heel loop making the stiffer and a bit more responsive, high back itself is killer also. I also like the slot disc that can easily slide the binding to adjust in smaller increments when it comes to stance.
Cons; straps themselves SUCK they are a pain in the ass to open especially the toe strap, and to me one of the worst toe straps on the market. High back rotation is very limited, no canted base plate padding, hardware on straps seem to constantly loosen, strap location cannot me adjusted, non flexing base plate.

Burton; Pros, auto can't base plates, plush straps with smooth glide buckles easy to get in and out of, high back height and stiffness makes for powerful heel side turns, forward lean adjustment is much smoother, depending on model flex able base plate, best high back rotation around, toe straps are much better and stay in place better.
Cons, no sole length adjustment, not a fan of the plastic heel loop, no toe or heel ramps to adjust, not as stiff as the Unions base plate wise.

To me either is an awesome choice but when you list it out I think I just talked myself in a set of new Cartels one day. But I do like the union for full on reliability due to simple design also. For an All-Mountain rig sorry to say but Union wins in my mind.
 

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Keep the Atlas. I'm pretty impressed with how they performs for all mountain. A couple of clicks of forward lean and the highback grips your boot like a glove. More power transfer in the highback and toe strap. The Unions are the way to go.

Plus if you ever decide to step up your freestyle game you can run the Atlas highback stright up with no forward lean and it's fully torsional and move the toe strap back into a cap and you have a solid park binding.
 

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Like stated before both bindings are awesome and you can't go wrong here so here are my pros and cons first.

Union, Pros; base plates are bomb proof, best sole length adjustment around, aluminum heel loop making the stiffer and a bit more responsive, high back itself is killer also. I also like the slot disc that can easily slide the binding to adjust in smaller increments when it comes to stance.
Cons; straps themselves SUCK they are a pain in the ass to open especially the toe strap, and to me one of the worst toe straps on the market. High back rotation is very limited, no canted base plate padding, hardware on straps seem to constantly loosen, strap location cannot me adjusted, non flexing base plate.

Burton; Pros, auto can't base plates, plush straps with smooth glide buckles easy to get in and out of, high back height and stiffness makes for powerful heel side turns, forward lean adjustment is much smoother, depending on model flex able base plate, best high back rotation around, toe straps are much better and stay in place better.
Cons, no sole length adjustment, not a fan of the plastic heel loop, no toe or heel ramps to adjust, not as stiff as the Unions base plate wise.

To me either is an awesome choice but when you list it out I think I just talked myself in a set of new Cartels one day. But I do like the union for full on reliability due to simple design also. For an All-Mountain rig sorry to say but Union wins in my mind.
Appreciate the feedback and the pros and cons. Really insightful and this was what I was hoping to get.

Someone else recommended I try both...since I've got 4-5 days in Vail/Breck coming up, I think that may be a good option. Couple days on both should give me a pretty good idea of what I like.

Thanks to all for their comments and insights.
 

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From what I remember, the amount of padding is equal on both sides. It's just that the inside padding is softer, compressing more under the weight of your body than the other side
I think you are right. I havn't been on auto cant pads, but there's no visible canting to them. Rome's canting on the other hand looks exactly like how I described.
 

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Good. So it sounds like everybody would benefit from canting. Right?
Theoretically yeah, some people don't like it though. I love my canting on my Rome 390's though, but I havn't used auto cant yet. I shoulda bought the damn Cartel's I saw for 140 last night on Whiskey..hrm.
 

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Theoretically yeah, some people don't like it though. I love my canting on my Rome 390's though, but I havn't used auto cant yet. I shoulda bought the damn Cartel's I saw for 140 last night on Whiskey..hrm.
Next time when I pop into my local snowboard shop I will study a pair of Cartels and try to appreciate what canting bed is all about. Thanks.
 
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