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Picked up the 60 Dart at the beginning of this season. It took me a while to really learn to appreciate it, but once I "unlocked" it I really started to enjoy it over larger parts of the mountain. The board sure doesn't seem to like variable terrain, and you'll feel it in your knees, but in the right conditions it is hard to beat. On a nice groomer, or in some decent powder, this board will put a big smile on your face. Really hard to choose between my DD and this recently.

The good things aside, I have had some issues. My main gripe at the moment is with the nose grabbing on warmer snow. On flatter hills or traverses it can be a little like hitting a brake when more of the nose contacts the snow. Is it my issue, board shape, or the slower classic base? I'm riding reference with maybe one step further towards the tail, so I'm not sure what I can do to prevent it aside from keeping it waxed and on the steep.
 

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160 Dart or 164 Cafe Racer?
I can′t decide, any thoughts? I am little under 80kg(175lbs), 193cm(6′4) tall and my shoe size is 48(13). I have been riding for quite some time but this will be my first good board (currently I have a cheap secondhand).
Thanks for any advice.
 

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Picked up the 60 Dart at the beginning of this season. It took me a while to really learn to appreciate it, but once I "unlocked" it I really started to enjoy it over larger parts of the mountain. The board sure doesn't seem to like variable terrain, and you'll feel it in your knees, but in the right conditions it is hard to beat. On a nice groomer, or in some decent powder, this board will put a big smile on your face. Really hard to choose between my DD and this recently.

The good things aside, I have had some issues. My main gripe at the moment is with the nose grabbing on warmer snow. On flatter hills or traverses it can be a little like hitting a brake when more of the nose contacts the snow. Is it my issue, board shape, or the slower classic base? I'm riding reference with maybe one step further towards the tail, so I'm not sure what I can do to prevent it aside from keeping it waxed and on the steep.
Curious about these Dart 160 and CR 164 as these have pretty different geometry. I’ll test them next season.

On the uneven terrain - I’ve ridden the CR 159 with double forward stance on some steep mogul run once and I was swearing under my nose so hard being thrown around. For me riding with -3 in the back foot helps a lot in moguls with much more stability on the CR and I keep it double forward only on nice groomer days.

About the nose - I ride it with some little setback from the center inserts (I see no ref mark on my board). I haven’t noticed the grabby nose issue at all with the CR being a worse floater than the Dart due to the extended camber there. I rode my friend’s Surfari and my CR this Sunday in some warm later afternoon shitty bumpy slush. The Surfari was easier there as the rocker starts right past the front binding but the Korua did very well too. It can feel ‚grabby’ only if you initiate the carve too hard from the front foot.

On the base - I don’t find it slow or grabby at all, it has a decent glide waxed. Very much the same as my Yes, Endeavor, Amplid and Rossi boards or my friend’s Nidecker or GNU. Only the Capitas beat it as these have this nice structure that drinks so much wax every time I hot wax them.

Get it a nice waxing and maybe add some structure (I did so with my Unw8 163 and the performance unwaxed is so much better now).
 

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On the uneven terrain - I’ve ridden the CR 159 with double forward stance on some steep mogul run once and I was swearing under my nose so hard being thrown around. For me riding with -3 in the back foot helps a lot in moguls with much more stability on the CR and I keep it double forward only on nice groomer days.
Oh man, I know what you mean. I was going ++ and having a hell of a time negotiating some steep mogul runs. My knees were aching and I went right back to -3 as well. Definitely it helped, but I found I had more wash out on the tail. I've decided to just skip that kind of terrain and stay with a ++ setup. I like the tail so much more that way.

It can feel ‚grabby’ only if you initiate the carve too hard from the front foot...

...Get it a nice waxing and maybe add some structure (I did so with my Unw8 163 and the performance unwaxed is so much better now).
It could be that I'm doing this. It definitely feels like when you sink a little too much weight on the front foot while surfing: a little dip and then a sharp brake as the friction spikes. I was focusing on avoiding this, and I didn't have an issue on most areas, just those flatter areas with warmer snow in the afternoon really annoyed me. It was usually on traverses I could feel it grabbing, and exactly when I needed to keep my speed up the most. I guess in those moments it's easier to build the friction.

Good idea to take a look at the wax and structuring again.
 

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Picked up the 60 Dart at the beginning of this season. It took me a while to really learn to appreciate it, but once I "unlocked" it I really started to enjoy it over larger parts of the mountain. The board sure doesn't seem to like variable terrain, and you'll feel it in your knees, but in the right conditions it is hard to beat. On a nice groomer, or in some decent powder, this board will put a big smile on your face. Really hard to choose between my DD and this recently.

The good things aside, I have had some issues. My main gripe at the moment is with the nose grabbing on warmer snow. On flatter hills or traverses it can be a little like hitting a brake when more of the nose contacts the snow. Is it my issue, board shape, or the slower classic base? I'm riding reference with maybe one step further towards the tail, so I'm not sure what I can do to prevent it aside from keeping it waxed and on the steep.
I felt something like You. Especially on a softer snow, but its not drastic. I think when you hit some moguls, that big soft nose might be like a bumper, bend a bit and brake.

Base its fine, i was riding with @Yeahti87 , and his was waxed mine almost dry, and i was surprised how good glide had mine Pencil.

Day before i was on Warpig (but theree was sunny day), and it was very sloooowww.

+- setup gave me more stability, but i felt that on a ++ my carves were cleaner.
I have to check out different angles, but for now Pencil is a bit to narrow to check angles around 0 on a back foot.



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160 Dart or 164 Cafe Racer?
I can′t decide, any thoughts? I am little under 80kg(175lbs), 193cm(6′4) tall and my shoe size is 48(13). I have been riding for quite some time but this will be my first good board (currently I have a cheap secondhand).
Thanks for any advice.
Depends, for more deep pow, tight trees etc i would go with Dart. It can carve preety well from what I've seen.

For more carving i would go with CR. Carvin ability is great, and still will rock in a pow.

Pencil seems ro on the middle of the rode between those 2, and please Korua Just make a wider one for me :)))


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Depends, for more deep pow, tight trees etc i would go with Dart. It can carve preety well from what I've seen.

For more carving i would go with CR. Carvin ability is great, and still will rock in a pow.

Pencil seems ro on the middle of the rode between those 2, and please Korua Just make a wider one for me :)))


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Being in the lucky situation of living relatively close the Korua HQ I had a few demo boards (Pencil 164, Dart 156 and CR 164) over the weekend and was even more lucky that it dumped quite a bit of fresh snow on Saturday.

Was on the Dart 156 the whole day on Saturday and it was absolutely amazing. First time I was on a board with such a short tail (also first time swallow tail) and had to get used to the board on the first couple of runs but after the second or third lift that was all good.

In pow this board is an absolute dream. Super quick turning, took it into the trees where it was so much fun and you could actually go pretty much at full speed always knowing that the board will manoeuvre around any obstacles. Very surfy feel and sitting quite far on the back.

The next day was more a spring session as the sun came out and warmed up the air so that it was quite slushy and the pow wasn't really fun anymore as quite heavy. Switched to the Pencil that day so can't properly comment on pow. It did feel longer and less agile though on the two runs I did but might have been due to the heavier snow and having to work harder to get the board turning. I however think what the guys at The Goodride say is true in that the board will more take faster wider turns in pow. Also had a chat with the Korua guys and they said the same. It's got the same float camber profile as the Dart so very sure it'll float like a dream too and it's more about the turns.

On groomers, both boards were fun with the Pencil being the more driven, faster board with a bit more edge hold in my opinion. Also, the Pencil, despite having the same stats as the Dart 156, feeled quicker edge to edge more like other more aggressive all mountain boards. It was possible to ride this board (again same width etc.) more with the ankles whereas the Dart required more involvement of the whole body to make it lean into a carve.

I actually didnt take out the CR 164 as firstly enjoyed riding the other two boards way too much and secondly felt that the width was perfect for me in my 10.5 US Ion boots and I didnt want to go wider (maybe another weekend to come where I can demo other Koruas :) ).

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Based on my experience with the Dart and the Pencil (and not having ridden the CR) I'd say @dudi_wroc is right in saying that the Pencil is in the middle between Dart and CR. So depends what you are looking for: pow oriented board good on groomers but not as fast and more playful -> Dart. If you mainly want to carve down the piste -> CR. Depending on what your preference is I however would actually consider the Pencil which might give you the best of both worlds...on the other hand might be too narrow for your boot size even in 164...

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Being in the lucky situation of living relatively close the Korua HQ I had a few demo boards (Pencil 164, Dart 156 and CR 164) over the weekend and was even more lucky that it dumped quite a bit of fresh snow on Saturday.

Was on the Dart 156 the whole day on Saturday and it was absolutely amazing. First time I was on a board with such a short tail (also first time swallow tail) and had to get used to the board on the first couple of runs but after the second or third lift that was all good.

In pow this board is an absolute dream. Super quick turning, took it into the trees where it was so much fun and you could actually go pretty much at full speed always knowing that the board will manoeuvre around any obstacles. Very surfy feel and sitting quite far on the back.

The next day was more a spring session as the sun came out and warmed up the air so that it was quite slushy and the pow wasn't really fun anymore as quite heavy. Switched to the Pencil that day so can't properly comment on pow. It did feel longer and less agile though on the two runs I did but might have been due to the heavier snow and having to work harder to get the board turning. I however think what the guys at The Goodride say is true in that the board will more take faster wider turns in pow. Also had a chat with the Korua guys and they said the same. It's got the same float camber profile as the Dart so very sure it'll float like a dream too and it's more about the turns.

On groomers, both boards were fun with the Pencil being the more driven, faster board with a bit more edge hold in my opinion. Also, the Pencil, despite having the same stats as the Dart 156, feeled quicker edge to edge more like other more aggressive all mountain boards. It was possible to ride this board (again same width etc.) more with the ankles whereas the Dart required more involvement of the whole body to make it lean into a carve.

I actually didnt take out the CR 164 as firstly enjoyed riding the other two boards way too much and secondly felt that the width was perfect for me in my 10.5 US Ion boots and I didnt want to go wider (maybe another weekend to come where I can demo other Koruas :) ).

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Based on my experience with the Dart and the Pencil (and not having ridden the CR) I'd say @dudi_wroc is right in saying that the Pencil is in the middle between Dart and CR. So depends what you are looking for: pow oriented board good on groomers but not as fast and more playful -> Dart. If you mainly want to carve down the piste -> CR. Depending on what your preference is I however would actually consider the Pencil which might give you the best of both worlds...on the other hand might be too narrow for your boot size even in 164...

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Thanks for sharing your experience. I would go for Pencil but its certainly too narrow. Thats why i cant decide between Dart and CR and although I just love how the Dart looks, I think I will go with Cafe Racer. I feel like its more All-mountain and since it will be my only board I want it to perform well in all conditions.
 

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Thanks for sharing your experience. I would go for Pencil but its certainly too narrow. Thats why i cant decide between Dart and CR and although I just love how the Dart looks, I think I will go with Cafe Racer. I feel like its more All-mountain and since it will be my only board I want it to perform well in all conditions.
If you rule out the Pencil I'd also go for CR if I was you. The Dart is a much more specialised board in my opinion and can be used as a second/third board on groomers if you feel a bit more lazy/want a bit more mellow ride instead of charging harder. But if it's your only board I think the CR would be a better all-rounder.

My girlfriend was on the CR 156 on Saturday and did very well in pow (she usually rides a 152 Story Board which essentially is the female version of the Flight Attendant) and said that there was no big difference in terms of float (bear in mind different sizing of the 152 women's board vs. 156 men's though).
 

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If you rule out the Pencil I'd also go for CR if I was you. The Dart is a much more specialised board in my opinion and can be used as a second/third board on groomers if you feel a bit more lazy/want a bit more mellow ride instead of charging harder. But if it's your only board I think the CR would be a better all-rounder.

My girlfriend was on the CR 156 on Saturday and did very well in pow (she usually rides a 152 Story Board which essentially is the female version of the Flight Attendant) and said that there was no big difference in terms of float (bear in mind different sizing of the 152 women's board vs. 156 men's though).
That's what I've been thinking. Guys from Korua also recommended CR.
That solved, do they make an End of the season sale or something? Because I probably won't have another chance to ride this season so I don't mind waiting for a while before buying.
 

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That's what I've been thinking. Guys from Korua also recommended CR.
That solved, do they make an End of the season sale or something? Because I probably won't have another chance to ride this season so I don't mind waiting for a while before buying.
From what I heard from the Korua guys they don’t. They actually don’t change much in their boards and keep them in the line as long as they sell well. Only minor things are amended i they notice issues. I noticed for example that the Pencil had reinforced tail ends whereas the Dart didn’t and think that might have been introduced later on. Might be a change to the 2020/21 Dart.

Other than that same boards which means they dont sell them at discount (also don’t sell their demo boards at season end for the same reason). But I think given very fair pricing overall compared to other brands it’s ok to get these at full/normal price tbh...
 

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From what I heard from the Korua guys they don’t. They actually don’t change much in their boards and keep them in the line as long as they sell well. Only minor things are amended i they notice issues. I noticed for example that the Pencil had reinforced tail ends whereas the Dart didn’t and think that might have been introduced later on. Might be a change to the 2020/21 Dart.

Other than that same boards which means they dont sell them at discount (also don’t sell their demo boards at season end for the same reason). But I think given very fair pricing overall compared to other brands it’s ok to get these at full/normal price tbh...
I know the pricing is great but I am 17 and studying so you know... Still a load of money for me :)
Thanks for the info anyway, I will probably buy the CR in couple of weeks.
 

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Re the Dart and variable terrain, my experience (3-4 boards) has been swallowtails are a bit more to handle in variable terrain and conditions compared to solid tails. Short tails with big setback, and the swallowtail "fins" flex independently of one another when you're on edge. That gives swallowtails means you get super easy tail release and maneuverability, and can do some really interesting things throwing your weight back at the end of a groomer turn... but also means they react a bit unpredictably when you backseat in rowdier off-piste terrain with variable snow conditions.
 

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Had to read that twice, then noticed "off-piste" and I think it clicked. My swallow got weird on me in an off-kilter slope with lots of underlying mounds and obstacles, some fresh heavier pow and old junk snow/ice mixed. The conditions and terrain limited my speed in a situation where I really needed speed to lighten up the board and unweight the tail. But the same board is excellent in resort chunder where speed comes easy.
 

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I've found swallow tails sink pretty well. This is great in deep powder. It's not so great with a few inches of fresh on top of variable chunder. The tail sinks right down to that unpredictable snow layer.
 

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I've found swallow tails sink pretty well. This is great in deep powder. It's not so great with a few inches of fresh on top of variable chunder. The tail sinks right down to that unpredictable snow layer.
Thats why in theory (because I've didn't test Dart) Pencil is a perfect between Dart and CR - more versatile.
 

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I've found swallow tails sink pretty well. This is great in deep powder. It's not so great with a few inches of fresh on top of variable chunder. The tail sinks right down to that unpredictable snow layer.
That’s where the Archetype with its ‚unswallow’ swallow tail shines.
 

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It definitely feels like when you sink a little too much weight on the front foot while surfing: a little dip and then a sharp brake as the friction spikes. I was focusing on avoiding this, and I didn't have an issue on most areas, just those flatter areas with warmer snow in the afternoon really annoyed me. It was usually on traverses I could feel it grabbing, and exactly when I needed to keep my speed up the most. I guess in those moments it's easier to build the friction.

Good idea to take a look at the wax and structuring again.
I call that moment "tip-in". Every board has a different tip-in feel, some very abrupt. So I'd say it is the board, but also some of what you are feeling is working through that tip-in on an unfamiliar board. Does it happen more on toe or heel, or both? I ask because one time by mistake I set the front up favoring toe and the board wanted to brake and turn uphill.
 
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