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Some local resort carving today on my Dart 160. Not a perfect run, some mistakes due to icy spots.

I originally had a CR159 which I sold due to boot drag, but I liked the taper. Then I had CR164, which was way too much of a board for a small hill like this. The Dart 160 feels like it’s between the CR 159 and CR164.

My stance is 52 wide, front ~40°, back 18°. Max forward lean on highbacks.

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Third day on my CF. Damn I love that board. Once you get to know it, the CF ain't that much an exhausting board to ride for a whole day long. It rides pretty smooth actually if you want to.

I had some training to give to a fellow patroller today about manipulating the sled with a patient and I was amazed how much the CF goes smootly while with the handles bars of the sled in my hands. Riding that way, the CF makes just good sense considering that using a sled while patrolling, must be done with control and stability. It is truly a board of choice for patrolling.


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Hello Koruans,
Just got my first Korua, Dart 156.
Currently riding on custom x for hard, icy days and dump truck for powder, soft.
Old driver x boots, disintegrated after 10+ years, so i'm now waiting for ride insano's to arrive.
The only thing left is appropriate bindining, since I only have old burton P1 binding, maybe it is to soft for Dart.
I'm thinking maybe to get Ride A10 or C10, and they will be also good match for custom x (now genesis est on them).
Has anyone tried bindings this stiff on Dart?
 

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I've been riding a TF57 and TF57+ for the last few years (both boards with 31mm taper). IMO it depends on how you like to turn the board. Over the years I've had Rome Cleavers and Union Atlas on the TF+, and Cleavers and Katanas on the TF Classic. Rome is nice for having a little lateral give yet still being "stiff", so it's not a bad option.

I've had to get rid of both Rome's this year as I sized to a 10.5 Ride Lasso Pro boot, so had to go to medium binding (from a L/XL). Picked up a used set of current year's Union Stratas for the Classic TF, and to be honest, they are very close in feel to the Katanas and are totally solid if you like a little looser slashy feel. Personally I find Korua not overly demanding, even the TF+ (contrary to Angrysnowboarder's review of the +). To each there own. You can make a Korua rail a long hard fast carve with a stiff boot and binding setup, or have a blast noodling around slashing banks with a looser setup. Korua's are cool with a variety of bindings. I've been riding 30+ years (old school free rider), but I have my preferences and you will have yours:) I didn't love the Atlas, as I like a cushy baseplate!

One thing i didn't love on the TF+ a couple years ago when I had Ride Insano boots with the Cleavers. It fell too locked in for my liking, and Riding West Coast British Columbia Chunder (basically a pow day after 10AM), was work, and I found myself getting 'stood up' on occasion. I prefer a lot of ankle flexion when I'm getting all cruisy:)

(also, this is my first post so apologies for crashing into this long conversation, have been lurking here for years haha)

Hello Koruans,
Just got my first Korua, Dart 156.
Currently riding on custom x for hard, icy days and dump truck for powder, soft.
Old driver x boots, disintegrated after 10+ years, so i'm now waiting for ride insano's to arrive.
The only thing left is appropriate bindining, since I only have old burton P1 binding, maybe it is to soft for Dart.
I'm thinking maybe to get Ride A10 or C10, and they will be also good match for custom x (now genesis est on them).
Has anyone tried bindings this stiff on Dart?
 

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Saw a lot of Koruas last week in Les Arcs: a 56 Café Racer (guy was y last 50kg heavier than me), another CR and a Dart on low intermediate twisting their hips, a Pencil plus with the roughly the same technique and a TF sliding down a straight line changing edge for style but with no effect on the trajectory whatsoever.

I don't want to be like "you don't deserve the board", but really it's a mystery to me how they come to buy these boards in the first place and even more what kind of fun they are having on it...


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Frankly I don't deserve my TF either, but I believe I'm just beginning to transition from low intermediate to intermediate; I got the board with the intent to "grow" into the board after being inspired by the "yearning.." video series Korua put out. It's been quite the challenge on the icier and narrow east coast slopes here in the US haha
 
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I've been riding a TF57 and TF57+ for the last few years (both boards with 31mm taper). IMO it depends on how you like to turn the board. Over the years I've had Rome Cleavers and Union Atlas on the TF+, and Cleavers and Katanas on the TF Classic. Rome is nice for having a little lateral give yet still being "stiff", so it's not a bad option.

I've had to get rid of both Rome's this year as I sized to a 10.5 Ride Lasso Pro boot, so had to go to medium binding (from a L/XL). Picked up a used set of current year's Union Stratas for the Classic TF, and to be honest, they are very close in feel to the Katanas and are totally solid if you like a little looser slashy feel. Personally I find Korua not overly demanding, even the TF+ (contrary to Angrysnowboarder's review of the +). To each there own. You can make a Korua rail a long hard fast carve with a stiff boot and binding setup, or have a blast noodling around slashing banks with a looser setup. Korua's are cool with a variety of bindings. I've been riding 30+ years (old school free rider), but I have my preferences and you will have yours:) I didn't love the Atlas, as I like a cushy baseplate!

One thing i didn't love on the TF+ a couple years ago when I had Ride Insano boots with the Cleavers. It fell too locked in for my liking, and Riding West Coast British Columbia Chunder (basically a pow day after 10AM), was work, and I found myself getting 'stood up' on occasion. I prefer a lot of ankle flexion when I'm getting all cruisy:)

(also, this is my first post so apologies for crashing into this long conversation, have been lurking here for years haha)
Great post, thx.
I was also considering Cleavers as a option, but still not sure are they stiff enough for my liking.
Got a good offer for new Ride A8 2022, trying to figure out the difference between them and A10. The guy who tried both says there is no big difference in stifness, and highback on A8 is bigger than A10 which is plus for me.
2022 and 2023 models as far I can see are exactly the same specs, only color differs.
I'm riding only plus angles, and zero switch and park.
 

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Great post, thx.
I was also considering Cleavers as a option, but still not sure are they stiff enough for my liking.
Got a good offer for new Ride A8 2022, trying to figure out the difference between them and A10. The guy who tried both says there is no big difference in stifness, and highback on A8 is bigger than A10 which is plus for me.
2022 and 2023 models as far I can see are exactly the same specs, only color differs.
I'm riding only plus angles, and zero switch and park.
I really didn't like the rides:

I replaced them with Cleavers on my Maelstrom. They're a good match.

If you want an even more locked in feel, you could go for the Flux XV or CV. The 22 CV's in white might look cool. It's going to be REALLY locked in with the Insano though. A rough ride as well, but you've got the other setup for ice.
 

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Flux CV LTD with the polycarbonate super transfer base if you want to get crazy:

I'd love to hear a review on these!
 

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Composite Rides are out of question, it is just not what I want, and your reasons match mine perfectly.
I will try to get these A8 for test. I'm curious how they will perform. Never tried alu bindings before, so dont know what to expect.
Good thing is that they can be mounted on both custom x and Dart. Plus I'm getting burton Dump Truck for free. Will test on A8's on all three.
Cleavers look great but not any good price around. Will cost me more than 500eur now.
 

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Quick request, anyone tried the tranny finder split and escalator? Is there enough value to make the jump to the plus line or is the tf ample? canadian Rockies snow including Nelson area, 157 likely the size I’m looking at.

also got some turns in on my 159 pencil (which I wish they made in a split, but sadly it’s a big gap)
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Ummm I didn't mention it in my first reply to Roolieman as it wasn't too relevant, but I have the TF Split as well LOL. It's the original shape, 31mm, without the clip holes. The split, even back then, was profiled a little narrower than the solid. One thing that's interesting is it has a lot more camber than both my classic, and +TF solid. With that, it has amazing climbing grip on hard skin tracks, I've skined up some pretty poor/steep tracks without heal risers, in fact not very often I flip the risers, there's than much grip. It floats a bit less than the solid due to the width and agressive camber, but it's not a whole lot different. The main con for me, which might be for all Classic Korua SPlits, is the C of G is a bit odd, and my kick turns can be work as I feel the nose is a bit heavy and the tail doesn't drop as much as i'd like. Maybe that's just my setup?

It's beat pretty hard, so the next Spit for me might be the Pencil 164. I'm 180lbs dry so the TF split is a little small when I'm loaded up.

Quick request, anyone tried the tranny finder split and escalator? Is there enough value to make the jump to the plus line or is the tf ample? canadian Rockies snow including Nelson area, 157 likely the size I’m looking at.

also got some turns in on my 159 pencil (which I wish they made in a split, but sadly it’s a big gap)
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I enjoyed my Cleavers as lot as well, and will probably go back to that once I settle on a boot that fits me well enough to keep. They have good response while having a little give. I ran the straps a click lower so you can surf it pretty good with the right boot. I could imagine with the strap set up high it would feel uncomfortably locked in!

I really didn't like the rides:

I replaced them with Cleavers on my Maelstrom. They're a good match.

If you want an even more locked in feel, you could go for the Flux XV or CV. The 22 CV's in white might look cool. It's going to be REALLY locked in with the Insano though. A rough ride as well, but you've got the other setup for ice.
 

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Ummm I didn't mention it in my first reply to Roolieman as it wasn't too relevant, but I have the TF Split as well LOL. It's the original shape, 31mm, without the clip holes. The split, even back then, was profiled a little narrower than the solid. One thing that's interesting is it has a lot more camber than both my classic, and +TF solid. With that, it has amazing climbing grip on hard skin tracks, I've skined up some pretty poor/steep tracks without heal risers, in fact not very often I flip the risers, there's than much grip. It floats a bit less than the solid due to the width and agressive camber, but it's not a whole lot different. The main con for me, which might be for all Classic Korua SPlits, is the C of G is a bit odd, and my kick turns can be work as I feel the nose is a bit heavy and the tail doesn't drop as much as i'd like. Maybe that's just my setup?

It's beat pretty hard, so the next Spit for me might be the Pencil 164. I'm 180lbs dry so the TF split is a little small when I'm loaded up.
yea I’m 150 lbs and ride a 154 for a daily so I’m a bit stuck with the tf or e, I just worry about what kind of damage the plus line stuff can take in shoulder seasons. Right now it is pretty rough around Banff and we have a lot of dry weather for the next two weeks, I suspect this will be even worse by spring this year so it’s hard to swallow the extra cost of a delicate board.
 

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Hello Koruans,
Just got my first Korua, Dart 156.
Currently riding on custom x for hard, icy days and dump truck for powder, soft.
Old driver x boots, disintegrated after 10+ years, so i'm now waiting for ride insano's to arrive.
The only thing left is appropriate bindining, since I only have old burton P1 binding, maybe it is to soft for Dart.
I'm thinking maybe to get Ride A10 or C10, and they will be also good match for custom x (now genesis est on them).
Has anyone tried bindings this stiff on Dart?
I currently have the A-10's on my 156 Dart but I haven't tried it yet, we leave for Japan in 3 weeks. I did try them on my 159 K2 Manifest which is also pretty stiff and decided they would be great on the Dart.

 

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Hey @Antti . Try projecting your body forward and into the apex of the next turn, and at an edge angle that feels right at the edge of your limits of balance. Aim to be as weightless in the transition as long as possible until you hit your desired apex + edge angle. Whether you move up, or down or whatever for a transition is up to you, just be as weightless as possible as you set up big edge angles.

The moment you feel "balanced" on your foot is about the time your edge angle development is over. You aren't throwing your body. Ski racers call this the "float"; it's where your biggest edge angles happen with very little load on your body. The float happens more on steeper runs, but you can experience it on a boring green run as well.

From the video, you are hitting your balance pretty immediately at about 40 degrees of edge angle. Try and be more patient; will feel sort of suicidal at first.

Otherwise pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if you are hitting big edge angles regularly pretty soon. Let me know if this works!

And yes, I can hit big edge angles without dragging body parts on a slope like that. The lack of pitch and speed is just accentuating balance issues. Have fun!
 

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I’m just going too slowly to really commit to the carve, because the slope is so mellow
Nice turning! You can lift your back shoulder on the toe turn instead of touching the snow with your hand. Wolken talks about it in the turning basics video. To be clear, your touch looks natural, like the result of getting lower, not leaning forward. Still, it's like you'd be placing some barrier between you and the snow, which prevents you from committing more and going lower.
 

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Frankly I don't deserve my TF either, but I believe I'm just beginning to transition from low intermediate to intermediate; I got the board with the intent to "grow" into the board after being inspired by the "yearning.." video series Korua put out. It's been quite the challenge on the icier and narrow east coast slopes here in the US haha
Yeah, I mean whatever people have fun on is great… I'm just not sure a Pencil plus is much for skidding blues. But, hell, who am I to tell people they are not having fun 🤷
 
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