Hey tell my friend something

Unknown member · Feb 16, 2008

My friend is being stubborn and after going snowboarding once he is going to buy a board, and /or has already bought one tonight. I tell him that if he can't even ride down a hill he just ruined an investment. And don't get me wrong, hes a good person, just very stubborn. he doesn't know what detuning is. And he can't control himself very well and will fuck his board up very fast. Also he was planning on buying an arbor board and you know how expensive those r. so just repost agreeing or disagreeing (i don't know why you would disagree.:dunno

and ill show my friend this post. it's pissing me off.

Oh and he also said that he might not buy a board but just buy boots so he can use my board to shred street spots. haha exact words. fuck no!

Mr. Right · Feb 16, 2008

Hmm, I disagree with the board choice. I bought a board after my 6th time snowboarding but the fist time I went more then once in 2 years if that makes any sense (I finally decided to commit to it and spend the cash). I bought an M3 Discord from the-house.com for $175 with free shipping, an M3 poster and a free World Industries back pack... Would I ever have dreamt of spending $400, $300 or even more than $225 on a board, no. I had no idea what I need, was getting into, or even what I wanted so I bought a tried and true beginner board. Needless to say, I have ridden that board maybe 6 times in the last two seasons (been riding for 3). It is not what I desire in a board now unless there is powder because it is too big and pretty stiff as well. It taught me how to ride, and I moved to a board that cost more and was tailored a little more to my needs as I had learned them. Don't buy a board like that for your first unless you have plenty of board money because although a sick board, it may not be what you want in less than 1/2 a season and why spend the cash. Other than that, I agree that if you are dedicated to riding buy a less expensive beginner board. You will progress faster not being on a different board every single time, especially rental equipment that gets beat on and the settings of bindings get changed almost daily for boot sizes (makes for some sloppy bindings over time). You also won't end up with a $400 piece of wood + binding cost that doesn't work for you. That is all. I think I've posted too many times tonight but I'm stoked on finding all the stashed pow at Loveland in approximately 9 hours :laugh: Blabbing over.

I must say as well, buying a pair of boots first might be his best bet. If your feet are uncomfortable what good is a $400+ board?

dmoss · Feb 16, 2008

Buying your own boots is a great idea...

As for the board, that's more of a personal choice...my wife and I decided to buy boards after two times out...we both were progressing well and decided renting boards each week was just adding a cost to buying a board at the end of the season. We did not destroy out boards and they are still in really good shape. Also, with all the sales right now it might not be a bad time to buy. I also found that having my own board made it easier to get better - using the same equipment week to week and getting used to the feel...

As for board choice, I got an Arbor Alt for my first board and love it. People told me it might be too stiff, but that has definitely not been the case. The bamboo top sheet on the Alt is awesome - very "snappy" for lack of a better term. Although I spent a bit more on it, EMS is having a sale right now and most Arbor boards are 50% off. That means the Alt is $250 (GREAT price!) and the Formula (their entry level board, which I would not recommend because most riders will outgrow it in one full season and there are better values elsewhere) is something like $150-175.

This is just my two cents...and that's not worth much...but you asked

PaoloSmythe · Feb 16, 2008

i disagree

i bought a snowboard before i had ever even been to a mountain, let alone learnt how to ride on one!
i didn't fuck it up, in fact it lasted many seasons.

your friend may not know what detuning is... but so what?
he can send it to the shop for what ever tuning.... he can read a book or a www page like this and find out all he needs.

i don't understand why you would care what your friend does, as long as you can go ride together then just be glad for having friends who enjoy the same stuff as you. altho to be honest, i reckon you are just jealous and that you would want to be able to splash the cash on a board of your choice.

this certainly ain't anything to get pissed off about.

but i would agree that if you can only buy one or the other between board or boots, i would get the boots first. every time.

and as for lending your board to him. well if you don't want to, then don't. your board is like your bird... you get to ride her and ONLY YOU.

Flick Montana · Feb 16, 2008

I bought a board, boots and bindings after my first time out. Rome Anthem for $250, Arsenal Bindings for $120 and DK IV boots for $130. That's a lot of dough to drop on something you've tried once. I can't say anything since I did exactly what he's doing, hehe.

Minger · Feb 16, 2008

After going once, I bought my Forum board, Burton Freestyle Boots and Missions...all for 335. I havn't thrashed the stuff yet, and it was worth it.

And I've skiied for like 6 years prior to this, so I had some idea what I was getting myself into.

Guest · Feb 16, 2008

I say let him do whatever he wants. As long as he is having fun and getting out in the snow, you should have no worry about his wallet...

Guest · Feb 16, 2008

I went once and rented. I didnt go the rest of the season because i couldnt get anyone else to go with me. Next season rolls around, i finally hook up with some people who go normally and are very good. I decide to buy a package for around 260. Basically if he plans on going out and using the board i dont see the big deal. I knew i was gonna go out to the slopes atleast 10 times. Ive since past it, and still in my first real season, i bought a new setup thats geared towards my riding style

if he plans on using it, there shouldnt be a problem

Guest · Feb 16, 2008

i bought my setup before i ever tried snowboarding. i knew i was gonna love it.

Guest · Feb 16, 2008

i bought a board after my first time also. it was a nitro storm 155 with burton freestyle bindings. it lasted for 5 seasons and i loved it.

tell your friend not be stingy when it comes down to buying a pair of boots and bindings.

Guest · Feb 16, 2008

lol, im the worst out of everyone here, had 3 of my good friends here at school who all had boards and had been boarding for a few years. Wanted me to go with them so I bought a forum recon and jacket (borrowed bindings, rented boots, and already had crappy pants.)

good thing i was decent and loved it

Guest · Feb 16, 2008

I'd been skiing before but never tried boarding before this year.
Before I went bought all the outerwear (special blend pants/jacket), baselayers, fleece etc, Ride Agenda 152, 32-TM2 boots, K2 auto bindings, board lock, stomp pad, leash, ninja mask etc....we're talking everything AND booked a vacation to Big White.
All worked out great for me, only regret is that I never got up to local mountains before heading off to the resort. Due to 1st day bumps bruises day 2 got cut short and day 3 never happened because girlfriend had emergency we had to come back early for.
Ordered all the hardware online through U.S. since Canadian retail prices were/still are ridiculous by comparison, just tried the boots on here and hoped for the best with the rest.
But the gear all in all worked great, just the vacation wasn't planned well.

Guest · Feb 16, 2008

I bought my Arbor last season have only been out a few times. I love owning my own gear and not having to worry about shitty rentals and stuff like that. My friend gave me shit because my gear will only see 10-15 days a season of riding but then once he thought about renting at $30/day, well in one season he could have all his own brand new gear...

Guest · Feb 17, 2008

That's the main reason I bought my gear...in a perfect world, all rentals would be strap-ins with nice edges, but I always seem to get step-ins and I feel like I have no control with those.

Guest · Feb 17, 2008

I'm going to disagree also.

I bought mine after my first time. I think it's best to learn on your own board, Because going from a rental to a new board or you own board is a huge change. And I can't see how he would fuck his board up on a bunny hill, it's mostly experienced riders that fuck their boards up anyways.

Just a little thought, but it sounds like you might be wishing you we're the one getting the arbor and not him. IMO

romesaz · Feb 17, 2008

I bought mine(board,bindings,boots,2nd jacket,2nd pant,lock,tool,2 goggles after 2 times on the hill (I only knew how to heelslide at this point) but was ready to buy it after my 1st time on the hill (money lacked though).

I didnt fuck up my board. If anything, it helped me tremendously progress. I don't regret it at all.

DuncanShea · Feb 17, 2008

I bought a board/boots/bindings after my first time out. Life is too short to grouse over someone else's passion. The Arbors are beautiful boards--Perhaps your friend is buying more than just the performance of the board. Regardless of what he is buying, he is buying. Your friendship might better be served by your support rather than admonitions. I sound like a crank dr phil. Not my intent--I just think it would be better for you to not put this kind of wedge issue between you and your friend.

And your friend chose as excellent time to buy--better than start of season full retail.

romesaz · Feb 17, 2008

To add to the above, you (the original poster) should be happy that you have another friend to ride with. regardless of whether he can or cant carve, since eventually, he'll be able to keep up with you.

Guest · Feb 18, 2008

...I can just imagine your friend laughing at you after you show him this thread.

...on second thought, maybe you shouldn't.

Anyway--everyone here has given a number of good points as to why buying isn't the end of the world--ESPECIALLY the price point of gear right now!!--Personally, I bought after my third trip--I took into consideration the $$ I was dropping on rentals, which didn't make sense to me. I waited 'til about now in the season and bought board, boots and bindings. STILL no regrets. Now, when I go 'boarding, (including gas, lift ticket and lunch) I'm not spending more than $42. and I don't HAVE to fill up the tank all the time either! so that's, what? 20 dollars for the lift ticket and 6 for lunch? Can't beat that-Imagine if i had to pay for rentals? Buying was the easy choice for me.

Damn! Wait 'til NEXT year when I have a SEASON PASS!!
(no $6 dollar lunches either! Strictly POP-TARTS!!):laugh:

DuncanShea · Feb 18, 2008

HERO XXL said:
...I can just imagine your friend laughing at you after you show him this thread.

...on second thought, maybe you shouldn't.

. . . . .

Damn! Wait 'til NEXT year when I have a SEASON PASS!!
(no $6 dollar lunches either! Strictly POP-TARTS!!):laugh:

Evidently, this thread did not go down as originally planned

I am glad to know I fit into common pattern -- I was feeling a little extravagant and obsessive for jumping in after a first experience. Turns out it happens alot (at least to the obsessives who frequent this forum!).

What gets me is my bar tab at the end of a day. But I probably mix in more "breaks" than most. And I suggest a bag of beef jerkey in your jacket.

Hero XXL touches on another phenom that might hold true -- buying a pass your second season (after gear the first). Passes for next go on sale tomorrow and I am all over it. Good deal: comes with the rest of this season free. I wonder how many of us live next to a tiny hill where we put our practice time in (and dream of real snow). Nonetheless, every second I am on my board, I am happy, even with fake snow and short 300' drops.

NYCboarder · Feb 18, 2008

i bought a board after my first time out.. i picked up a crappy board for 100 buks just to learn on. and my second season got myself a new board, still not end = burton blunt 08.. im not meaning to be an ass but stop being a bit*h and let him do what he wants. its not your money and if messes up the board ( which i doubt he will) then thats his problem.
also i should add that using rentals kind of screws you up, i see one of my buddies having trouble with rentals, its never the same board, boots, bindings. it is good to learn on something that you will be using constantly so you can understand how YOUR own board works

KaOTiKM3 · Feb 18, 2008

I also bought a full setup (GNU Riders Choice, Salomon Boots, Ride bindings) after my first time out. I don't think it is a bad idea by any stretch of the imagination, and perhaps he is just excited to progress quicker. As well as not having the hassle of renting equipment every time. At least these things held true for myself.

Guest · Feb 20, 2008

i too brought a setup without ever trying snowboarding (previously a skier), and spend a total of $400 on equipment (new boots, used board and bindings) ... about $150 on safety stuff (helmet, impact shorts, knee pads etc.) ... and already had outerwear from previous years (always preferred baggy clothes on the mountain).

after my 1st day on the hills, i learn to appreciate my own equipment. no rental line ups (for all of you), smelly boots, and other issues with rentals in general. it is sooo much better to be able to learn with your equipment (some kind of continuity) and of course being able learn with a whole bunch of friends is just a bonus. i agree with some of the other posts, as long as your friend has the funds for it and you have already given him your two cents on the issue. then let it go!

just jump on to the lifts together, take a drink from the flask (if you like), and enjoy! there is no better time to be with friends then on the slopes!

Guest · Feb 20, 2008

i spent almost $800 on a board, boots, bindings, and pants before ever going boarding, and it was some of the best money i've ever spent. my brother moved to south lake tahoe and i wanted to force myself to learn so that i can go visit him. he's been riding for a couple years and i can't wait to show him how much nicer my stuff is. o and, how would a new rider go about fucking up a board very fast?

Minger · Feb 20, 2008

$800? Damn...I thought I spent a bit at $335...but I had at least gone once and was a skiier prior

kri$han · Feb 20, 2008

I had all the soft gear I needed already (skiier in previous years), but I spent $550 on my setup after my first 3 times riding & renting... last year it made sense, but I think with all the money I've spent on another setup and a ton of softgoods, I probably couldda rented about 20 times and still been under budget...lol.

Guest · Feb 20, 2008

i waited 6 seasons to buy my first set up, only becuase those first years I only went 4 days a year due to traveling. but then last year I got 4+ trips in to colorado, so I bought my own set up (GNU RC, Rome Targas, 32's) and I freaking loved it. Why didn't I do it sooner. There were some trips were the rental gear was so crappy, super wet noodle one year, another year it was 10cm too long for me and uber stiff. It's great owning your own gear.

But if he goes out and buys the totally wrong setup and get's taken by a local shop, that's his mistake, oh well. My 32's were way to big, I got F22 this year and problem solved. It's a learning process, i dont' regret money lost on the 32's.

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