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What’s your boot setup going into this season?

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#1 ·
There are so many posts about boards… especially when most boards will work.
I ride a quiver of boards and I’m always moving boards around although the BSOD is likely to stay my daily driver for a while and I will always have a Jamie Lynn in my quiver. However, boots… I don’t switch them out too often and I have been on the search for the one boot to ride for the rest of my riding days. Therefore to me, the boot is the piece of gear I’m more obsessed with with. I don’t understand why there’s not more posters asking about boots? Anyone know why?
So after last year, I’m done with Burton boots forever. I busted the toe boxes of 4 pair (I take extremely good care of my boots btw) and I’m on my last pair of driver X’s which I don’t think I’ll get many more days out of… for me, Burton boots suck and can’t hold up for my riding. So this year, I got Thraxis (2 pair because that’s the way I’ve done it forever). Wore a size 10 in Burton (performance fit) and I’m 9.5 in the Thraxis. The outside of the 9.5 Thraxis is still just slightly longer (barely) than the Driver X 10. I’m a 280 mondo but I’ve found that means little as brands still fit differently.
Nonetheless, what are you all running for coming year?… any changes from last year?
 
#3 ·
I had a pair of DC T-Rice that I loved. When they wore out, I got another pair but unfortunately the fit was different.

So then I went to Ride Insano. I loved the tongue and response, but very little damping, not enough insulation for cold days, not the best fit, and actually a bit too stiff for me. They’re still in great condition, not sure when I‘ll use them.

Last year got the Thraxis. Loved them at first, but liner packed out in like 15 days (and seriously bruised my ankle). I did get new HD intuition liners for them and they’re great… but they don’t breathe when it’s warm. I’ve got 50 days on the shell, maybe they’ll last 50 more? Note that someone else posted that they didn’t think the Thraxis was as good as it use to be.

So I bought DC Transcend on sale when the season was over. Maybe this will be a winner again?

If not, I’ll probably try Vans Verse or a softer Ride… maybe trident?
 
#10 ·
My Thraxis were probably a half size too big (Bought online, though the Maysis were a half size bigger than that).

Here was my ordeal:

I thought it was in that thread, but didn’t see it. Someone had bought last years Thraxis and said that the liner wasn’t as good as previous years they had.
 
#11 ·
Okay this makes sense… I originally order the 10 and 9.5’s and I could tell I’d have ankle issues with the 10. The liners are 100000% better than the ones I had in the Driver X’s… those are dogshit. I’ll still get my last few days out the Burtons. However, I still can’t believe how Burtons don’t let for me… I can see how they might last longer for light weight riders or maybe more mellow riders, but once that toe box collapses it’s game over.
 
#12 ·
I am too always looking for that perfect boot. I am very picky in that area. I buy a lot of boots, mostly on sale or slightly used and ride them for a couple of days before I sell them again. The reason for that is that in my experience you can’t really tell if a boot will fit well while riding by just trying it on in the store.

I have quite narrow feet, skinny ankles and a high instep. The main issues with most boots are either heel lift or pressure point on top of foot. I am currently most comfortable in my vans verse but they are not perfect. I find them a bit too weak, soft and low in the upper part of the boot. I rode Salomon malamute for a week last year and performance wise that is a great boot. I tried all kind of modding to get it to lock my heel in properly but ended up selling the boots. Also rode 32 tm3 and nitro select but both with pressure point on top of foot with toes going numb as a consequence.

Oh, and just got a pair of ride fuse that I’m going the try out when the season starts.
 
#21 ·
I found the same with Malamutes and the heel lift… I purposely tried to squeeze my foot in one that was impossibly smaller than I could ride just to see if the heel lift went away, and it did not. So weird because I usually don’t run into heel lift with new boots. I have no idea why they stopped making them the way they used to.
I’m TOTALLY right there with you and the numbness! I am also always looking for the perfect boot for me. I’ve got a spot on the top of my feet that if it’s pressed too hard my toes go number… so one of the things that helps me is going super performance fit because when there’s no space in the boot I don’t have to tighten it down as much and I don’t have to crank the binding straps overly tight either (and get better response). Then the only issue I get is my big toes mashed up against the front, but I have found that if a good heat molding doesn’t do the trick, then I’ll hit the spot with a hairdryer. If that still doesn’t work then I do some cutting and taping and that’ll work.
Then I run into the next issue with boots: flex retention and construction holding up. Here’s another area where I’ve found that the super performance fit helps because I don’t have to tighten the boot as much, seems to help flex retention better than a boot that needs to tighten a lot in the first few days to get rid of slop. Then there’s construction issues, which wasn’t as much of an issue until I went back to Burton boots… first I made a bad choice to give the SLX (a softer boot than I would normally look at) a try because, against my better judgement, I listened to the pitch that it’s the premium materials, liner, etc. so after 15 days it’ll be stiffer than others because it’ll retain its flex better. That was a disaster. Luckily, I only bought 1 pair but went through 3 pair very quickly because the damn toe box completely collapses and rolls in (the boot breaks). They kept replacing it but screw that, they weren’t rideable in stiff bindings once that happens. Then I switched to driver X’s. Everyone kept saying they were the stiffest boot out there. I never found them to be as stiff as people made them out to be, and it didn’t matter because after a few days riding they get a crease and lose a lot of it. However, the bottom and toe box was fine and I could ride them still… oh wait, nope never mind: the damn toe box on these collapsed around 20 days across the joint where the plastic meets the synthetic material. Got a replacement and the same thing happened, again around the same time. They again replaced these and I didn’t get enough time to blow out the toe box, but it’ll happen very soon. So that’s a total of 6 pair of burton boots, 5 pair with crappy toes boxes (so far), 4 of which busted in a single season. My Thirtytwo TM-2 boa held up better and longer than the Burton boots (in hindsight I would have gone traditional laces with those as well as the xlt). I reached out to a couple of sources I know (leaving it like that because I don’t want to get anyone in trouble) and they were not shy about the company knowing about these kinds of issues but their target audience isn’t the person getting 100 days per season, it’s the person that gets 20-30 days over a few years. Wow! It’s a good thing I didn’t buy 6 pair (warranty department)! Sucks because if the Driver X’s had been able to last longer then I could’ve ridden that boot forever because it was fantastic until it wasn’t. Thank you very little Burton.
I’ve never ridden the Insanos but I’ve tried them on. I have heard about the cold feet thing and that’s just not something I want to invest in. The shell construction seems great though.
Malamutes would be great… the way they used to be made.
Vans boots look really cool, but I’ve had issues with their fit. They are either too big or too small. I wasn’t able to get them the way I needed.
I’ve got high hopes for the Thraxis regarding flex retention. The wings that the lower laces go through are quite interesting… I’d like to know more about the engineering purpose behind them, but the rubber around them seem like they do a good job of mitigating the affect of creases/articulation 🤷‍♂️.
Im not a lightweight rider and Im still hitting the gnar terrain as I was in my early 20’s, I don’t ride park anymore just because it isn’t interesting to me as it was when I was a teenager, but I’ll throw a method if it’s a good natural feature… I like stiffness to come from my boots and I press enough to get flex out them, they don’t prevent me from bending my knees. I prefer the responsiveness of the stiff boots. Over the years I’ve spent way more time obsessing over my boots (boot fitting maintenance, talking with people about boots, looking for the “right” boot for me) than I ever have with boards. I realize everyone’s feet are different, but I really like reading about methods of fitting people have tried, trials and tribulations people have had with boots, etc. more than boards.
 
#13 ·
I've been on Ride Fuse for a while (3 pairs). Great boot but they changed the ankle boa from just pulling the tougue in to a wrap around harness. The harness itself is fine but there are protruding plastic parts inside the shell that match up with a soft window on the liner and my ankle bone. No more Fuse for me.

Got a pair of Nidecker Rift at the end of last season so only rode them a few days but they are off the charts comfortable. A bit softer than I usually prefer perhaps but I think they should work. I see this coming season they have lace up versions of the Rift and Kita. That's my closure preference so they should be good going forward. For anyone who has pressure issues on top of the foot I suggest looking at Nidecker. The asymmetric tongue is a game changer.
 
#17 · (Edited)
The reason for that is that in my experience you can’t really tell if a boot will fit well while riding by just trying it on in the store.
Thank you for that. I thought I was totally incompetent - it's nice to hear I'm not the only one struggling with this.

I think my confidence was totally shot when I purchased a pair of Burton Ions, 2 years ago. At home, they felt snug but fine, so I went on and got them heat molded. First day on the snow, I went from having my soles cramp to noticable heel lift. Several visits to a local store with (more of a ski boot) fitter, best I could end up fixing is the heel lift, but by the time I took them out around 10 times, I started developing this severe pain caused by instep pressure (with the acompanied toe numbness, cold feet from loss of circulation etc). And leaving them completely loose (to see if I was over tightening or something) didn't really fix anything either: i just got cramps in my soles before even made one run.

I tried fixing the issue myself, by following Angry snowboarder's suggestions on padding the places where the tongue touches the rest of the boot, and while it did help a bit, it was never enough. Seems like as soon as I strap in, the weight of the snowboard hanging on on the straps is enough to induce painful amounts of instep pressure.

It wasn't until I purchased a pair of Burton Photons, and was able to put my foot in one boot and the other at the same time, that I could identify that I actually feel the instep pressure just by putting my foot into an unlaced Ion, because the Photon just had so much more room there. The Photons, laced up at home, felt I could keep them on my feet all day (and, for the most part, that came out true). Sadly, the Photon has that plastic boa channel near the ankle, so after 3 -4 hours of riding I do need to take a break and unlace for a bit, before I can finish the day.

And now I have a pair of 32 TM-2s at home and I can feel & see a large hotspot in the middle of my instep, whcih leads to slight numbness in my toes just by sitting in them laced up, and I have no idea how to figure out if this is something that heat molding will fix or not. I can feel the pressure on the instep being relieved if I put my weight on both feet, as I sink more into the boots, but how do I figure out if there is truly enough material in the liner, so that it will compact enough to make to more permanent and will the outer shell prevent the pressure from the straps from reaching my instep, or will it just hurt as it hurt with the Ions?

I have 0 confidence in being able to sell them as used, due to living in a small country, and the fact that they are a wide model. I kind of don't want to end up with a pile of unworn shoes in the attic, as I usually have to pay full price for each, due to them being wide models in really unpopular small sizes.

Anyway, my current plan is: continue into another season with my Burton Photons, while trying to find an alternative that might be comfortable enough for the whole day. For which I don't really have all that many options, due to my EEE width feet. So I'm more or less trying to grasp on straws.

And of course, I need to decide if I should send these 32 TM-2s back, before the 30 days return is over, or not.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Thank you for that. I thought I was totally incompetent - it's nice to hear I'm not the only one struggling with this.

I think my confidence was totally shot when I purchased a pair of Burton Ions, 2 years ago. At home, they felt snug but fine, so I went on and got them heat molded. First day on the snow, I went from having my soles cramp to noticable heel lift. Several visits to a local store with (more of a ski boot) fitter, best I could end up fixing is the heel lift, but by the time I took them out around 10 times, I started developing this severe pain caused by instep pressure (with the acompanied toe numbness, cold feet from loss of circulation etc). And leaving them completely loose (to see if I was over tightening or something) didn't really fix anything either: i just got cramps in my soles before even made one run.

I tried fixing the issue myself, by following Angry snowboarder's suggestions on padding the places where the tongue touches the rest of the boot, and while it did help a bit, it was never enough. Seems like as soon as I strap in, the weight of the snowboard hanging on on the straps is enough to induce painful amounts of instep pressure.

It wasn't until I purchased a pair of Burton Photons, and was able to put my foot in one boot and the other at the same time, that I could identify that I actually feel the instep pressure just by putting my foot into an unlaced Ion, because the Photon just had so much more room there. The Photons, laced up at home, felt I could keep them on my feet all day (and, for the most part, that came out true). Sadly, the Photon has that plastic boa channel near the ankle, so after 3 -4 hours of riding I do need to take a break and unlace for a bit, before I can finish the day.

And now I have a pair of 32 TM-2s at home and I can feel & see a large hotspot in the middle of my instep, whcih leads to slight numbness in my toes just by sitting in them laced up, and I have no idea how to figure out if this is something that heat molding will fix or not. I can feel the pressure on the instep being relieved if I put my weight on both feet, as I sink more into the boots, but how do I figure out if there is truly enough material in the liner, so that it will compact enough to make to more permanent and will the outer shell prevent the pressure from the straps from reaching my instep, or will it just hurt as it hurt with the Ions?

I have 0 confidence in being able to sell them as used, due to living in a small country, and the fact that they are a wide model. I kind of don't want to end up with a pile of unworn shoes in the attic, as I usually have to pay full price for each, due to them being wide models in really unpopular small sizes.

Anyway, my current plan is: continue into another season with my Burton Photons, while trying to find an alternative that might be comfortable enough for the whole day. For which I don't really have all that many options, due to my EEE width feet. So I'm more or less trying to grasp on straws.

And of course, I need to decide if I should send these 32 TM-2s back, before the 30 days return is over, or not.
How is the fit?… any chance they are too big? I get the instep problem. Man, it suckssss! For me, my foot has these problems when a boot is too big, and I don’t mean literally too big, I mean anything bigger than tight performance fit. I found that those internal harnesses are a big part of the problem as the lower lace of it it tighten down right on top of a vein or something that seems to cut off circulation. When the boot is a comfort fit, I have to pull that string and tighten the tongue down too much… to the point that simply strapping the binding on would cause this issue. The board hanging when on the lift would be excruciating sometimes and the ankle straps just made problems worse.
So for me, there were two things that helped:
1. I get the smallest boot I can cram into and then heat mold and doctor the big toe area. This might be a problem if half sizing within a size for example: 10.5 to a 10 if the shell is the same size versus a 10 to a 9.5 if you get a smaller shell. This seems to naturally bring the instep shape of the boot closer to the natural shape of the foot (at least for my feet).
2. I won’t let my boots get a heat molding with a place that heats the liner inside the shell. Everyone tells me I’m wrong about this, but their opinion doesn’t outweigh my experiences over a long time with my own feet and boots. From my experience, when the liner gets cooked inside the shell, the shell holds the heat in the effect seems to softer the shell. I mean, these boots have glue and other things going on and some of these materials can stretch easier when they get cooked from the inside for the during of the heating process. The outcome, to me at least, is not ideal. I don’t want to mold my shell, I’ll let that happen naturally as I ride. I just want to cook the liner then put it in the shell. Yes I realize the liner is hot and it’ll still expose the shell to heat, but it’s only during the cooling phase of the process and it’s for much less time. I feel like doing it like this allows the liner volume to fill out space in the shell better while also conforming to my feet. I do know that this helps this issue with my feet even if I’m struggling to come up with the explanation.
 
#19 ·
Ride Trident 8.5s are new to me this coming season. I'll have my K2 Thraxis 9.0 as backup in case we don't get along.

My main issue with the Thraxis was the liners, which were hell on my ankles, way too much movement and weird pressure spots. I swapped them for liners from size 9 Nidecker Talons which have a lace cinched thicker liner. I also had to put in heel risers and place a wrist sweat band between the Boa Conda plastic and my liner. They are basically just too big for me. When I tighten the front of the Thraxis there is a very fine line between toe bang on heel side edge chunk, and toe numbness from top of foot pressure. It's almost impossible for me to prevent both. The Tridents seem to exert much more even pressure on the top of my foot when tightening them down, but with no time on snow I can't really be sure of how they will perform.

Incredibly collapsed arches here and if I don't see a Doc before this season I definitely will need to before next, as my right ankle is painful on a daily basis at this point.
 
#20 ·
I’ve been on Tridents for four years and can’t find anything that works better for me. Tried 32 TM-2 and also have some DC Phantoms that I ride when I’m with the kids so I don’t pack out my Tridents needlessly. I like a stiff boot. I can say that each brand definitely has their own definition of stiff.

also @Board Doctor I got Insanos and Tridents and I know Ride says otherwise but I wear the Trident is stiffer. Or at least with the triple boa you can make it feel effectively stiffer.
 
#23 ·
I've got a high arch which causes me to have a high instep, combined with narrow heels and average width at the toes. Ride insano really seems to work for me.

My left foot has a higher instep and is a bit shorter so I was dealing with a bit of heel lift. I did try to double up the insole with a flat thin insole shim, and added a heel wedge to try and improve the heel hold. That combo kind of worked but gave me instep pain after a while due to the tighter fit from the added insole.

During the offseason I took my sweet time to debug everything and figure out how to recognize the feeling of instep pressure with my boots on indoors. I watched the angry boot fit guide and realized I tackled it the wrong way. I removed the insole shim and instead used some Jbars to form a makeshift ankle wrap to improve heel hold. It basically did the job. It accounts for the smaller foot and holds onto the heel better without taking up space over the toe and instep. My boots feel like they fit perfectly, it's hard to get the heels to lift even by forcing my toes down in the boot. No instep pressure from what I can tell, but ultimately I have to cross my fingers it will work out on the hill 🤞.

I did have some pressure below the ankle. Heel wedge + a jbar with the pressure area removed seemed to help. Taking your liners out, buying Jbars, grabbing some scissors and spending an hour or two debugging and understanding your foot was so worth it. I wish I tried it earlier as opposed to going to shops for help and then trying random things.
 
#24 ·
I've got a high arch which causes me to have a high instep, combined with narrow heels and average width at the toes. Ride insano really seems to work for me.

My left foot has a higher instep and is a bit shorter so I was dealing with a bit of heel lift. I did try to double up the insole with a flat thin insole shim, and added a heel wedge to try and improve the heel hold. That combo kind of worked but gave me instep pain after a while due to the tighter fit from the added insole.

During the offseason I took my sweet time to debug everything and figure out how to recognize the feeling of instep pressure with my boots on indoors. I watched the angry boot fit guide and realized I tackled it the wrong way. I removed the insole shim and instead used some Jbars to form a makeshift ankle wrap to improve heel hold. It basically did the job. It accounts for the smaller foot and holds onto the heel better without taking up space over the toe and instep. My boots feel like they fit perfectly, it's hard to get the heels to lift even by forcing my toes down in the boot. No instep pressure from what I can tell, but ultimately I have to cross my fingers it will work out on the hill 🤞.

I did have some pressure below the ankle. Heel wedge + a jbar with the pressure area removed seemed to help. Taking your liners out, buying Jbars, grabbing some scissors and spending an hour or two debugging and understanding your foot was so worth it. I wish I tried it earlier as opposed to going to shops for help and then trying random things.
Did you have any issues with your feet getting cold in these?
 
#25 ·
IIRC, the Ride Insano uses a modified Intuition Dreamliner. I contemplated going a half size bigger on the boot, then using an Intuition High Volume Dreamliner. It’d have more material to mold to your foot and provide warmth. I’m not sure I want something that stiff anymore though… and the intuition doesn’t breath well as the whole thing is closed cell foam.
 
#26 ·
I used the HV Protour in my Thraxis that were a bit big.

For a replacement medium volume liner, the Protongue might be good. I’d hope the stiff tongue would disperse pressure over the instep and hopefully there isn’t too much volume there:

I think the full Intuition liner is incredible for comfort and response. I get too sweaty when it’s warm though.
 
#30 · (Edited)
How is the fit?… any chance they are too big? For me, my foot has these problems when a boot is too big, and I don’t mean literally too big, I mean anything bigger than tight performance fit.
All 3 of the boots I have are size 255 mondo, with my feet being at 250 and 251. So theoretically I guess a "performance" fit with a size of 250 mondo would be possible, as I'm on the lower end of 255, but in all honesty I'm feeling the end of the liner with my toes as is. My fear in this would be that the instep of the boot's shell was even more shallow.

I did give the inner harness in the Ions, and now in theTM-2, some thought (as in, do I tighten it too much), but both of those shoes leave quite a noticeable red mark on the middle of my the instep, around the place where the tongue barely starts - far away from the strings of the inner liner.

Once I bought the Photons, and was able to slip my foot in and out between them and the Ions, the instep pressure became quite apparent. I can feel the pressure in the Ions just by slipping my foot inside, without lacing anything up. Tried switching the liners between them as well, just to confirm and same thing. Maybe the Photons have a steeper angle on the hard shell, or something. Once everything is laced up it feels nice and snug, so it's not like there's a finger left of space and that my foot is moving around in there.

The TM-2s, I'm unsure of. I did try them on several more times now and I did find that if I leave the lower boa more or less fully loose, the boot feels much better and the red spot on the instep, on both feet, is nearly gone. There's still some "texture" left by the sock tho. So perhaps it's just so much on the limit that any kind of tightening is too much. I'm gonna go get my board out of storage and see what it feels like if it's dangling on my foot, while wearing the boots.

2. I won’t let my boots get a heat molding with a place that heats the liner inside the shell.
Never gave that much thought, because I've seen manufacturers providing both ovens and those hot air insert machines to stores, but I get what you are saying. The store I go to for heat molding boots, which I have to buy online anyway, has a separate oven, so they take out the inner liner to get it heated up.
 
#32 ·
All 3 of the boots I have are size 255 mondo, with my feet being at 250 and 251. So theoretically I guess a "performance" fit with a size of 250 mondo would be possible, as I'm on the lower end of 255, but in all honesty I'm feeling the end of the liner with my toes as is. My fear in this would be that the instep of the boot's shell was even more shallow.

I did give the inner harness in the Ions, and now in theTM-2, some thought (as in, do I tighten it too much), but both of those shoes leave quite a noticeable red mark on the middle of my the instep, around the place where the tongue barely starts - far away from the strings of the inner liner.

Once I bought the Photons, and was able to slip my foot in and out between them and the Ions, the instep pressure became quite apparent. I can feel the pressure in the Ions just by slipping my foot inside, without lacing anything up. Maybe the Photons have a steeper angle, or something. Once everything is laced up it feels nice and snug, so it's not like there's a finger left of space and that my foot is moving around in there.

The TM-2s, I'm unsure of. I did try them on several more times now and I did find that if I leave the lower boa more or less fully loose, the boot feels much better and the red spots on the insteps are nearly gone. So perhaps it's just so much on the limit that any kind of tightening is too much. There's still a visible impression left from the socks, and maybe a light reddish spot on the instep. I'm gonna go get my board out of storage and see what it feels like if it's dangling on my foot while wearing the boots.


Never gave that much thought, because I've seen manufacturers providing both ovens and those hot air insert machines to stores, but I get what you are saying. The store I go to for heat molding boots, which I have to buy online anyway, has a separate oven, so they take out the inner liner to get it heated up.
Correct
 
#34 ·
Going into my 2nd season with the Salomon Dialogue SJ Lace (SJ = instep boa). I'm a 9.5 wide in street shoes, though I'm only borderline wide with a 100mm forefoot, and the 9 regular fits well enough that I don't notice them at all throughout the day, though I noticed I could use some more room in the toebox by the end of the season. I'm going to try 8.5 wides next time and see if I can shorten the boot without giving up forefoot comfort.

Great boots, felt 95% the same on day 24 at the end of the season as they did day 1. They could be a little stiffer for freeriding but I like the flexibility on chill days with my kids. The lace/boa combo is amazing for fit, though I'm consistently the last person ready from the car at the start of the day as I contort my stiff middle-aged back into position to tie em down.
 
#35 ·
I'm gonna be in the ride fuse for the third or fourth season now. I love the urethane tongues and spines. They really keep the flex consistent throughout the life of the boot. There's good response while keeping some lateral flex going, which is important to me. The soles are grippy when walking around and skating, and the rubber toe caps are durable and dry. I also like the burrito wrap liners with the tongue boas. I've definitely got a performance fit going on. Rocking custom insoles that I heat molded in my oven with the liners. I did have a hot spot on my ankle from the boa routing but that was easy to take care of with a little foam. I've also had the tongues fall off after a season or so. I glued them back on with some e6000 and never had a problem after that.

Before this I was rocking insanoes. They were rad but too stiff for my liking. I find the burrito wrap liners in the fuse to be more comfortable, and I prefer laces as well.
 
#36 ·
I've been on Malamutes for a super long while… Then I bought a pair of Verse, wich I enjoyed at first despite being burly. But I underestimated how they made me overpower the boards, especially laterally (otherwise, I could uncrank the boa). Last year I bought some Nidecker Tracer (discontinued) and that was the best move ever. Those less stiff move, just made me more moblie and forced me to ride better on my flexier boards. And just more fun.

I wanted to trade the Verse for split specific boots. They are good for 50/50 freeride/split, but if they become my split boots, I might as well have heel hooks. But with a stiffer board on the way, I kinda see myself having to pairs of boots, one stiff/split and the Tracers. Why not?
 
#37 ·
Will be wearing Adidas Acerra for the forceable future. They fit me right out of the box which is really rare for my feet. They aren't perfect but close enough. Boost sole is great for my bad ankles and stiff body. Sole grip could have been better but not buying boots to walk around in.

Have ridden mine for 30 days maybe. They packed out after 25? days and got little bit bigger than I want, nothing some good boot fitting can't fix I hope. Quality is great, they still look like new so should last me maybe 2-3 seasons.
Bought 2 more pairs on an Adidas sale and a guy was selling samples so bought 2 more. That will last me a lifetime.

Found a pair of new Infuses cheap in my size. They fitted me similar to the Adidas. Sold them after comparing shells that the Vanses were huge and didn't want to readjust every bindning to ride in them and white but not after a day.