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1. 164 Flow Solitude WX with NXT FX's (07/0).
Conditions: Crunchy icy man made snow mixed with natural snow, brisk but slightly overcast with hints of sunshine.
Stance: 22 wide 18 negative 15 Goofy
Boots: 06/07 Vans Fargo Boas size 11 with 100 plus days on them.
One word description: Fun
This board is straight up fun, you can haul on it and rail a carve like no other. The carbon fiber X's that make up the Whiskey X construction allow for ultimate pop in the tail, yet provide lots of stability under foot. This board held an edge like no other and was amazing. Seriously blew my mind. Also super light. The bindings were phenomenal, my boots are shot and kind of loose but the bindings compensated like no other. You get awesome stability in these, the ease of Flows as usual, and the ability to drive. If anything I found edge initiation easier on these bindings than my 390's, and have to say probably one of the best bindings I've been on so far.


2. Atomic Rapture 157 (07/08) with Rome 390's (06 - 07)
Stance 22.5 18 negative 15 goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas size 11
Conditions: End of the day sunshine going down, pushed snow, icy, windy, temps dropping.
One word description: Mediocre
The new shape of this board makes it semi overlap the Alibi in my opinion. Also the introduction of the Nomex in the core has severely reduced its weight, but made the flex almost unpredictable, as it is a softer material. Edge to edge this board is fast and butterable, but knowing that nomex honeycomb is crap I'd be afraid this board would blow apart. Had decent pop, but this board is far from what the rapture of yore was, the Axum and pivot would be better choices since they are on the same chassis.


3. 163 Salomon Burner with SPX 45's (07/08)
Stance 22 18 negative 15 goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas size 11
Conditions: Flat light, mid morning, sun was starting to peak through the clouds. Rollers and push mounds galore.
One word description: Springy
This board for being a super free ride board was kind of sad, I felt it was way to soft. The best way to describe it is springy. At high speeds I could feel some vibrations under foot, but the ERA tech in it definitely distributes pressure outwards towards the edge. The edge hold was ok but its sidewall is poop in my opinion.


4. 157 Lib tech Jaime Lynn (07/08) with Rome 390's
Stance 22 18 negative 15 Goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas size 11
Conditions: End of the day flat light in spots, shadows, sun setting, windy, icy, harder push mounds, lumpy snow.
One word description: Old school
So since everyone claims I'm on crack with my interpretation of this board I took it out again. I'll say it again this board is relatively soft and butterable. Its ok edge to edge and you can noticeably tell the difference between the sidewall to the cap. All in all it’s like riding a board from 10 years ago. I wasn't overly impressed hence why you don't see my recommendations of this board all that much. It’s got decent pop but nothing spectacular. I think the JL name sells it more than the ride.


5. 161 K2 Believer with Formula bindings (07/08)
Stance: 22 18 negative 15 goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas size 11
conditions: Early morning, firm but softening up, with corduroy still available
One word description: Interesting
First thing you notice with this board is the rubber style top sheet with about 1038484848 different sayings on it. After that you'll realize this board is built to be a BC POW killer for lighter weight guys. Weighing in at 170ish lbs. I'm more the average person that will ride it. Edge to edge it was great but seemed washy in the heel. After talking with the rep we realized he set me a bit heel heavy. So to be fair I did take it out again in a different size. But for a 161 I could have annihilated it in the pipe with this thing. Very poppy has a great sweet spot.


6. 157 K2 Believer (07/08) with Rome 390's
Stance 22 18 negative 15 goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo boas
Conditions: Sunny bluebird day, soft snow, 2 inches of fresh.
One word description: gnar
After figuring out that the ride on the 161 had skewed my view of this board I brought my gripper grips to kill on it. First things first the edge to edge was perfect. I was getting a bit burly popping FS 1's off rollers and landing on edge. What I noticed with me was that at my weight I would land more on my nose coming down and go right into a carve from pushing in the nose. Not a bad thing, just this board is a bit softer in the nose/tail than what I'd like. Popping was great and you can really rail a carve on it. Switch is easy and the side cut isn't crazy aggressive. I hit a natural QP and this thing did have boostability like I thought. Definitely a board that you can ride anywhere.


7. 162 K2 Podium (07/08) with Rome 390's
Stance 22 18 negative 15 Goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas
Conditions: Sunny, slightly choppy, soft slushy snow, kind of windy and cold
One word description: Fast
This board does have a 1mm taper and a 3/4ths set back but the sidecut is set back so you ride it centered even though you have a longer nose. This board is for charging and laying carves, wicked fun I have to say. No chatter in it and there's an amazing sweet spot in the tail for popping, its right where the Carbon Kevlar fibers overlap the torsion forks which creates for boost city. It reminded me a lot of popping on the jibpan which has to be one of the best boards for loading up the tail and popping I've ever been on in my life. It’s definitely the free ride elite board of the K2 line up.


8. 162 K2 Eldorado (07/08) with Rome 390's
Stance 22 18 negative 15 goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas
Conditions: Sunny, bluebird, windy, firmer push piles and rollers.
One word Description: Busted
This board has an easier to initiate sweet spot in the tail than the podium, but its not as good as absorbing the impact of dropping on ice. I felt a few of my impacts on this board, even though it’s got that integrated topsheet with the riser/ dampening. The nose did get the chattery butterfly effect at speeds. Edge to edge it was great and held well as long as I wasn't pointing it. I'd say its just a hair past midstiff.


9. 165 Unity Pride Wide (07/08) with Rome 390's
Stance 22 18 negative 15 goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas
Conditions: Early morning sunshine, bluebird, and beautiful.
One word description: Slug
I can ride a big wide board with no problems. This thing was a slug, slow edge-to-edge initiations, sluggish flex, and just all around it was like a slug that just keeps trudging along. Pop was mediocre; flex was a bit more than the eldorado but still nothing to rave about. All in all it didn't ride really damp and I felt a lot of vibrations. I think the construction of this mixed with the Carbon fiber wrap just made this board the lame.


10. 155 Flow Era with NXT AT's (07/08)
Stance 22.5 18 negative 15 goofy
Boots: Vans Fargo Boas
Conditions: Very early morning, sun just peaking the mountain, bluebird, fresh corduroy with rollers
One Word Description: Slayer
Flow has to be doing something right, this board was amazing. It had the right amount of mid flex for a park stick, but a lighter weight. It puts my Hatchet to shame, and makes me question my TR. Load the tail up and pop, yet roll into the landing easily. Switch was amazing on this, perfectly fine, control was great, and flex was brilliant. Bindings are ok, not as great as the NXT FX's but these are noticeably softer and jibbier. Once again I will state that I felt I initiated flows on edge a lot quicker than traditional straps. Buttering with this board is amazing and throwing every variation of butter and spin to butter and butter to spin was easy. Flow has a great 350-dollar park slayer here that easily competes with others in that category.
 
#152 ·
So.. just not a big fan of the MTX tech? I'm wondering if you have tried the GNU Rider's Choice.

No love for the Rome Agent, seems like nothing but praise and love everywhere, or is it just the Rome United bindings that ruined it for you; should retry it on the 390s or something

How do you get to demo all these boards? Do you work for a board company or store or a demo place or ski resort, or review company? In other words, do you get paid for this? Just wondering, what do you do

Awesome reviews, and it's awesome how you have so much time and passion to demo and write all these reviews. ThX!
 
#155 ·
The Angry Snowboarder all you need to know about my life. I do what I do and thats that.

Agent is too soft plain and simple expected it to have similar flex to the last one I had ridden before it. Rome has people tied up in their hype thats fine and dandy for the sheeples.

I do not like Mervins MTX I like Smokins version the serations are different.

I rode the riders choice 154.5 today what a fucking pile of shit.
 
#157 ·
300 dollar jib sticks. They're built for the kid thats just going to break it riding on stupid ass shit.

I don't endorse a lot of things from year to year. If a company makes a solid product in the future they might get a nod from me. Forum products are a joke they're the Morrow of the Burton empire and they don't even know it yet. Their products are based off 10 year old Burton designs.
 
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#159 ·
Hey BA, your a fan of the k2 formula's...

I'm looking into the 09 formula's but heard they're a little softer and maybe better for the park, is that true? I'm a freeride cruiser, hit all the jumps I see, but never do park. You think this binding would suite me?

I'm also considering the Ride EX's. I think I read in one of your reviews that you hated Ride (correct me if I'm wrong). Whats wrong with these bindings? They seem to be pretty solid bindings.
 
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#170 ·
This years formula is stiffer than last years. Check out this comparison I wrote on them to give you a better idea. The Angry Snowboarder: A break down of the 08/09 K2 Formulas
Hi all, just wrote an essay on here and it timed out so lost the lot so I will keep it breif!

Thanks BA for your reviews. Please could you help?
Had to send my Burton Triads 07/08 back as they were rubish and broke so need some new bindings. Read reviews on hera about K2 Auto Evers, Sweater and Formula. Was wondering what your views are on Flow NXT FRX, Union Force MC, K2 CTX Cinch or CTS or if I risk trying Burton again with the C60.

Chap in the shop was trying to promote the K2 Cinch but I want to be sure before I rush in. Any help would be apreciated. MANY THANKS
 
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#161 ·
Cool, it seems you really like the new formula's. I noticed in the store that the ratchet's sometimes stay in the forward position after ratcheting them (dont spring back) and you have to manualy click them back, do you get that problem? Not really a bid deal though.

And whats your opinion on Ride?
 
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#163 ·
Hey Avenger, great reviews and bad ass blog. I want to try Never Summer this season and was thinking SL-R but now your comments have me thinking Legacy-R. You and NS state that Legacy is the wider SL but their site rates Legacy 7/10 stiffness while SL is 5/10.

Did you notice this much of a difference and end up preferring the stiffness of the Legacy?

heh heh stiff
 
#164 ·
I think they probably judge stiffness with a static set of weights across all boards? It would make sense the legacy-R would be stiffer since its just a wider SL-R..atleast in my head it makes sense.

I think the general consensus is if you traditionally ride wide boards due to your feet size to get the Legacy-R, otherwise the SL-R...
 
#171 ·
Interesting that its so horrible since everyone else loves it. Guess you're part of the 1% Oh well go read shitty blogs that just load everything over top of it and make it a bitch to read through.

The Flow Era you talk about, what year is that? I know it says (07/08) but I wasn't sure if that applied to the bindings or the board. If it is 07/08, does anyone have an opinion on the 08/09 Flow Era? Found a killer deal and I want to see if its still a killer board
Thanks, Andrew

*EDIT* What year was your Hatchet also? Why did you like it so much? How does it compare to boards like the K2 Darkstar (07-08)?
It was the 07/08 we're in the 08/09 season. I think my hatchet was an 03 nothing has changed in that board except the .5 length incriments since it came out. Darkstar is a bit more stable and little better pop.


Hi mate I am also interested in why you love the Atomic Hatchet so?

I have been doing a fair bit of research on the flow and I have the feeling that its going to be too soft for my riding style. Nice little park/jib board though.

I am now weighing up the
bataleon goliath
bataleon eveil twin
atomic hatchet

need to do something in the next few days so would be really appreciative if any one has any constructive view points.

Cheers
All are solid choices. The hatchet is a board anyone can ride you can get on it and just have fun. Its a meat and potato's deck.

Hi all, just wrote an essay on here and it timed out so lost the lot so I will keep it breif!

Thanks BA for your reviews. Please could you help?
Had to send my Burton Triads 07/08 back as they were rubish and broke so need some new bindings. Read reviews on hera about K2 Auto Evers, Sweater and Formula. Was wondering what your views are on Flow NXT FRX, Union Force MC, K2 CTX Cinch or CTS or if I risk trying Burton again with the C60.

Chap in the shop was trying to promote the K2 Cinch but I want to be sure before I rush in. Any help would be apreciated. MANY THANKS
Cinches are crap don't waste your time. The Force MC is over priced. The NXT FRX is a solid freeride bindings.
 
#167 · (Edited)
The Flow Era you talk about, what year is that? I know it says (07/08) but I wasn't sure if that applied to the bindings or the board. If it is 07/08, does anyone have an opinion on the 08/09 Flow Era? Found a killer deal and I want to see if its still a killer board
Thanks, Andrew

*EDIT* What year was your Hatchet also? Why did you like it so much? How does it compare to boards like the K2 Darkstar (07-08)?
 
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#168 ·
Hi Burton, quick question.
I have a mate sending me a flow strike 161. I have been riding quite a while and generally hit up park, pipe, freeride, you name it. I am a little worried that this board is going to be pretty soft & hence not that great for my riding style. You seem to have a pretty good opinion of the flow boards overall.
I am pretty sure my mate wouldnt have shipped me the board unless he thought it was a fun stick but thought I would check.

Thanks in advance.

Also any suggestion on bindings?
I have been looking between burton
Ride
Rome
and
Flow (which I have never used and have seen many mixed reviews on)

Cheers again.
 
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#169 ·
Hi mate I am also interested in why you love the Atomic Hatchet so?

I have been doing a fair bit of research on the flow and I have the feeling that its going to be too soft for my riding style. Nice little park/jib board though.

I am now weighing up the
bataleon goliath
bataleon eveil twin
atomic hatchet

need to do something in the next few days so would be really appreciative if any one has any constructive view points.

Cheers
 
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#173 ·
Hey BA, really enjoyed this thread, as it's the first time I'm buying equipment, it seems like a great guide.
You've probably had shit loads ask you about this, but would like some advice by somebody who's been out there and tried it out.

I'm mostly into freeride, but might want to try out jumping a bit more and stuff, with my focus still being on freeride. Got myself the rome 390's 07/08 as they seemed to fit that description, but was wondering which board you would recommend for this style of riding. You seem to like the K2-line as well as the Hatchet, but how it the hatchet for freeride?

I'm 5.7" and weight 162 pounds, if you need to know that for any reason.

Thanks for your time and this great thread :)
 
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#174 ·
Bindings

Cinches are crap don't waste your time. The Force MC is over priced. The NXT FRX is a solid freeride bindings.[/QUOTE]

Hi BA thank you for the swift response it's much apreciated.
I know i'm in danger of asking to many questions but would you say the NXT FRX is a better choice over the Formulas or Auto Evers?

Do the C60 binding hold up against any of theses?

Anyone out there who has an opinion on this please feel free to comment as all feedback is apreciated.

Hope everyone's enjoying their boarding.Anyone been anywhere interesting of late. I'm restricted to europe this year but maybe next year I can hit the states or Canada.

Hope all is well dudes.:)
 
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#175 ·
Hey BA

Thanks for the awesome reviews.

A NS question:

I am 180 pounds, 6.2", size 12 and wanna buy a NS all mountain freestyle board. Thinking about the Legacy-R 159 but not sure if it would be too stiff and forgiving enough? Have been snowboarding for 5 years 30-40 days a season, mostly into trees, off and on piste shit, no park. Would have loved to get the SL-R but it might be not wide enough, Is the Legacy much stiffer then the SL-R?

The other options would be a Lib Tech PhoenixBTX 157W or Skunk ApeBTX 157W or Riders ChoiceBTX 158W

Really appreciate your advice!
thanx
 
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#177 · (Edited)
hey guys, BA great thread! heaps of useful info.

does anyone have any reviews for womens boards? i am looking to purchase a freestyle/park board - i am 5"1, 50kg (110lbs?) only a size 6 boot. some of the calculators online suggest 137cm.... i maybe shopping in the childrens/youth section this year lol