[Yotaismygame]

Wait we can pre order already?

 

[Rowan]

I’m

Wait we can pre order already?

S2AS in the UK has definitely opened pre-orders as that's where I got mine from. They've only got the Bataleons left though and it looks like the Mercury's sold out in about 5 seconds

 

[SEWiShred]

Did this little side video to help explain the FASE system in more detail. Will have another one coming soon answering the most important and most popular questions I’ve been getting in the comments. Hope it helps 👍

Thanks, these are a look cooler than they look in the promo videos.

 

[Rowan]

Did this little side video to help explain the FASE system in more detail. Will have another one coming soon answering the most important and most popular questions I’ve been getting in the comments. Hope it helps 👍

Did you notice the issue that some of the other reviewers have spotted with the toe straps moving on the Rome and Bataleon bindings?

I mean gently nudging a toe strap up wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Not in comparison to constantly having to fish one out from under my boot.

 

[Oldmanwinter8]

Did this little side video to help explain the FASE system in more detail. Will have another one coming soon answering the most important and most popular questions I’ve been getting in the comments. Hope it helps 👍

Did you notice the issue that some of the other reviewers have spotted with the toe straps moving on the Rome and Bataleon bindings?

I mean gently nudging a toe strap up wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Not in comparison to constantly having to fish one out from under my boot.

I never had any major issues with the toe straps but I do know that there are some little tweaks and slight design upgrades that are happening before the production bindings hit the stores 👍

 

[Oldmanwinter8]

Been riding all four versions over the last 3 months, mostly the Thirtytwo T32M binding. FASE is the future tech of 2 strap bindings! True 2-strap performance but WAAAAAAY faster in/out. Who doesnt want that? First time back testing other bindings without the FASE and I almost forgot to undo the toe strap.

 

[David Partridge]

Been riding all four versions over the last 3 months, mostly the Thirtytwo T32M binding. FASE is the future tech of 2 strap bindings! True 2-strap performance but WAAAAAAY faster in/out. Who doesnt want that? First time back testing other bindings without the FASE and I almost forgot to undo the toe strap.

i can confirm this. it is after riding FASE many days and then going back to regular binding, that you realise how much easier and quick FASE is. being older and less flexible, my boys use to hassle me, while waiting for me to strap in. now with FASE, i take half the time they take.
i’ll have to come up with something quicker now they are riding FASE bindings🤦🏼🤪

 

[Yotaismygame]

 

[Oldmanwinter8]

New vid answering most popular/important questions!

 

[David Partridge]

New vid answering most popular/important questions!

BTW: these FASE highbacks are pre-rotated. ✋

 

[Oldmanwinter8]

After seeing your comment on YouTube yesterday as I said in the comment back I wasn’t 100% sure about the pre-rotation but now I am confident in saying they are not. Checked em out up close and took some measurements. Check the video 👍

 

[David Partridge]

After seeing your comment on YouTube yesterday as I said in the comment back I wasn’t 100% sure about the pre-rotation but now I am confident in saying they are not. Checked em out up close and took some measurements. Check the video 👍

pre-rotation refers to the top of the bindings highbacks. this is where it matters. i gathered rome and bataleon had this feature, but with a closer look, it seems they do not.

this is the jones FASE showing the pre-rotaion at the top of the HB. i don't have a pair of 32 with me atm, so can not confirm if they have any pre-rotation.

 

[Oldmanwinter8]

I see what you are saying, that’s basically what I was referring to as an Asymmetrical Highback. That’s where the confusion is. Companies usually refer to “highback rotation” when talking about where it mounts to the heelloop and how you can adjust them by physically rotating them within the heelloop. Then the shape up above would be asymmetrical giving a little more material on the outside of the highback. The Jones and Bataleon bindings are definitely Asymmetrical, the Rome is slightly asymmetrical and the Thirtytwo highback is completely symmetrical.

 

[David Partridge]

I see what you are saying, that’s basically what I was referring to as an Asymmetrical Highback. That’s where the confusion is. Companies usually refer to “highback rotation” when talking about where it mounts to the heelloop and how you can adjust them by physically rotating them within the heelloop. Then the shape up above would be asymmetrical giving a little more material on the outside of the highback. The Jones and Bataleon bindings are definitely Asymmetrical, the Rome is slightly asymmetrical and the Thirtytwo highback is completely symmetrical.

you have done a brillant job informing riders what FASE is about. not meaning to sound like i dick, but NoW, jones and yes have used the term "pre-rotated" as a way of rotating the highback without adding extra adjustment slots, to keep setting up the bindings easy. asymmetric is different (as in rome and bataleon) where the profile shape is not symmetrical, but is not necessarily pre-rotated.

 

[Oldmanwinter8]

Those are two different features of the highback and that description does put them a little close together to make it seem like one. This one from the Jones archives is a little better where it describes the advantage of the asym highback a little more and THEN mentions how they are also pre-rotated 5 degrees (which nowadays refers to how/

where they are mounted in the heelloop).

 

[David Partridge]

Those are two different features of the highback and that description does put them a little close together to make it seem like one. This one from the Jones archives is a little better where it describes the advantage of the asym highback a little more and THEN mentions how they are also pre-rotated 5 degrees (which refers to how/ View attachment 177010 where they are mounted in the heelloop).

non-FASE jones, NOW and yes bindings all have symmetric highback mounting and do not allow for any highback rotation. the pre-rotation is a fixed rotation in the upper end of the highback. this is the same as the FASE jones binding.

do you have a NoW drive, jones or yes drive bindings on you? i can send pictures to show this better, if you don't.

 

[Oldmanwinter8]

No need to send pics, I’m familiar with the Jones/Yes bindings. I do realize that all the current bindings have symmetrical mounting on the heel loop. But the inquiries about the bindings featuring FASE going around about “rotational highbacks” are all referring to a highback that can be rotated in the heelloop and actually adjusted, weather they have an asym highback or not. The picture of the bindings you sent (and the pic/description I replied with) was the old Jones Apollo from 2011 which did have an asym highback AND they called pre-rotated at that time. The current, updated models only mention an asym highback. Nowadays the industry the verbiage of “rotational highback” or “pre-rotated highback” would refer to how it’s mounted to the heel loop, not how the upper part of the highback is shaped. I’m not trying to be difficult about this, I just don’t want people thinking there is a feature on the bindings that is not there. In the end you are right but the correct wording/way to convey the specs/tech is: the highbacks are NOT pre-rotated and the cannot be rotated, but a couple of the highbacks ARE asymmetrical with extra material at the top, lateral side to help make up for the fact that they cannot be rotated.

 

[David Partridge]

No need to send pics, I’m familiar with the Jones/Yes bindings. I do realize that all the current bindings have symmetrical mounting on the heel loop. But the inquiries about the bindings featuring FASE going around about “rotational highbacks” are all referring to a highback that can be rotated in the heelloop and actually adjusted, weather they have an asym highback or not. The picture of the bindings you sent (and the pic/description I replied with) was the old Jones Apollo from 2011 which did have and asym highback AND pre-rotated mounting at that time. The current, updated models only have the asym highback. In the snowboard industry the verbiage of “rotational highback” or “pre-rotated highback” refers to how it’s mounted to the heel loop, not how the upper part of the highback is shaped. I’m not trying to be difficult about this, I just don’t want people thinking there is a feature on the bindings that is not there. In the end you are right but the correct wording/way to convey the specs/tech is: the highbacks are NOT pre-rotated and the cannot be rotated, but a couple of the highbacks ARE asymmetrical with extra material at the top, lateral side to help make up for the fact that they cannot be rotated.

virtually all modern binding highbacks are asymmetrical, so calling HB asym means nothing. even the 32 FASE highbacks that may appear symmetrical, are actually asymmetrical.

the jones, NoW and yes bindings have never had any highback rotational capability.

jf show these NoW drive binding in this clip, and as you can see, there is no rotational feature with these highbacks. BTW: 2018 and 2020 NoW drive were exactly the same binding.



the pre-rotation feature with these bindings, are that they twist in the upper half and the extra extend on the outer side.

this is a screenshot of a top-view, FASE jones highback, from a CAD drawing.

the pink is the right hand highback and the ghosted blue is the left HB. as you can see this is what a pre-rotated higback looks like.

 

[NullR6]

I randomly walked into a store today and they had their FASE Katana and Blaster samples on the display for people to play with. They weren't bolted to a board but I could mess with the ratchets and other parts. From the testing I could do, the ankle strap was easy to use and I'm not concerned about the lever-highback connection durability. I could also pop it apart reasonably easily by just smacking the highback forward with my hand, so it should be a piece of cake when using a boot to kick it down.

The toe strap webbing for the Blaster is definitely more flexible than for the Katana (grain of salt, these were sample bindings so it may change).

The Blaster sample was the black body but with grey accent colors instead of the red ones shown for the product version. I know I'm probably in the minority, but I liked the grey better. I wonder if they will sell the color parts as spares, since that would allow people to swap out accent colors for the other options in the model.

I'm definitely interested in picking up a pair. I just need to decide which binding makes the most sense for how I ride - not the Thirty Two, I'm not freestyle. I'll probably put my Flow NX2-TM bindings on my Coda and the FASE on my Superposition.

 

[Rancor39]

Ha, you were totally correct. Do you have any experience with skate tech? If so, did/do you like it or not?

A little late but I love skatetech. I have on now drives and jones mercury. I hate toe strap of now drives but love stiffness of the binding. Mercury is a little too soft but straps fit my boots well. Skatetech really helps with edge engagement especially on heelside. On the east coast I ride so much ice skatetech just absorbs it and really puts the power right into the edge. I often times find myself riding more aggressively than I should and don’t realize how icy it is until I hear some scrape past me on ice. Skates really absorbs chatter while on edge thus helping edge stay engaged on firm snow. If skatech can be incorporated on fase that would be awesome. Would be a shame to lose skatetech on non-true mercury mercury bindings from jones capitalizing on a name but not retaining key feature. If you don’t ride ice though you may not love the technology as much.