Just get regular strap in bindings, get lessons and progress at a rate comfortable to you. You are over thinking it. Just take your time and learn to ride. Sure you'll get hurt at some point to some degree but it won't be your binding that saves the day, it will be learning to fall properly. Take some lessons, it will help a lot. Also spending that much time thinking about how you are going to fall and get hurt might get in the way of progressing, just saying.

That said, I would NEVER wear bindings that my boots could release from. Personal choice.

 

Just get regular strap-in bindings, get lessons, and progress at a rate comfortable to you. You are overthinking it. Just take your time and learn to ride. Sure you'll get hurt at some point to some degree but it won't be your binding that saves the day, it will be learning to fall properly. Take some lessons, it will help a lot. Also spending that much time thinking about how you are going to fall and get hurt might get in the way of progressing, just saying.

That said, I would NEVER wear bindings that my boots could release from. Personal choice.

my friend is a snowboarder and he is teaching me but should I just get lesons?

 

You're probably better off not snowboarding.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this

 

Troll patrol anyone?

 

Once he said "vegan" I thought the same

 

Private lessons, regular bindings (straps or quick entry), go to store and buy the boots that are most comfortable.

 

Is there a tl;dr version?

That was a mind dump...

 

Ew don't buy used boots. Just go to a shop and get fitted with decent boots that fit YOUR foot. You'll end up wasting more money and probably be uncomfortable with painful pressure points or sloppy loose boots if you don't. Stores like REI sell snowboard boots - look into it a bit more. I have three stores in my general area in Virginia that sells gear - and if I drive a bit then I can find many more.
And I don't think you're going to go flying off of a cliff staying in-bounds at a resort. Your legs aren't going to snap in half from falling over. It sounds like you have some crazy paranoia or out of control fear of getting hurt. Like someone said - maybe snowboarding isn't something that's for you. If you are constantly in fear of falling then progressing will be difficult. I haven't had any hard core injuries from snowboarding, but some people have - and the bindings didn't make or break the situation. It's not like you are encased in cement past your knees. You don't need risers if you get a board that has a width that fits your foot.


Get lessons and wear safety gear - helmet, knee pads, butt pads, they even have protective gear for your back/spine. Or stay home and surround yourself in bubble wrap.

 

The thought of taking a tumble with a foot NOT strapped in is scarier to me! Imagine the twisting of your knee when the board hits stuff...

 

No kidding.
I fucked my knee last year, but not by having my foot come out of the binding.

But I tried to squeak in a few days just before the end off the season.
I probably shouldn't have, I couldn't walk yet but........
Snowboarding is easy, compared to lets say...
Getting off the couch & going up the stairs, 100 times easier.
You just stand there & lean back & forth. haha

Couple times I had to slow down & refrain from most jumps.
But I never thought I would hurt my knee from just regular snowboarding.

It helped actually. I couldn't walk properly the first day I came back.
Haha, I wasn't even sure if it was a good idea. It took me probably 3 hours to get ready in the parking lot.
Then I sat there, thinkin'...

I knew the chairlift was gonna suck ass & I wasn't sure If I was gonna end up sliding down on my ass cause of either not being able to ride(& can't walk)
Or because I stupidly went riding when I was crippled & fucked it even more.

The board hung from my fucked up knee.
It was so awkward trying to get on & off the chair, without bending my knee.


THE ONE & ONLY thing I was petrified about, was if that board started swinging around on that fucked knee.

That would be catastrophic.

That just can not happen, ever. Ever, ever, ever.

There would be people with their limbs torn off.
Completely off, not cleanly either.
Bout as messy as you could imagine.

People would bleed out & die, right there.


TT

 

LOL @ some of you. I come here with a legitimate few questions and just got made fun of. : Maybe it's because the vegan thing, maybe we'll have an Off Topic debate about that.

I'm not over-paranoid with no motor skills. I said I went down black diamonds on skis and have experience skating but was just asking about strap-in vs click-in safety. I didn't ski 25 times but only snowboard once because I was afraid of snowboards, it was because I knew I could keep up with my group on skis and had a free pair I could borrow but always wished I was snowboarding. So anyway, I'll just get the flow/strap-in bindings. I'll probably actually just get both and see. Thanks.

What mostly worries me and what I think has the most potential to direct someone off open cliffs are people coming from behind. I can sort of understand how some of you sarcastically say just stay home - the more people on the slope the worse unless you're a show off IMHO. Good thing I can go whenever I want during slow times and might prefer night.

It's like walking to the exit door at the supermarket or something. If someone's Grandma's slowly walking in your way, you don't knock her down to get in front. I'm just saying the mentality some of you have is the same as the people who have no respect for novice riders, and in youtube comments for the ski/snowboard fights/crashes I've watched, they take the wrong side of who's at fault trying to act all cool. It doesn't take a ski/snowboard genius to watch a video and see who's at fault and didn't yield. A lot of the videos are recorded by the person who's behind and is at fault because otherwise you wouldn't have a video to see because the person in front doesn't have their camera mounted backwards if they have one. But with all the new 360 degree action cameras coming out, more people will have what's behind them on video, and they can probably sue if they want.
A perfect example, and he even laughs about it.

Sure, if someone's carving so wide to remain slow and in controll that they're taking up most of the trail, the should probably stick to easier trails, but I don't think there's like a rule that says you can only take up a certain ratio of the trail width. Not saying I even really do that when I go slow down black diamonds, I carve more tight like I'm on moguls or something, it's just a lot of the time you see the person in front carving wide minding their own business and then someone comes straight down crossing their path and smashes into them and then people try and call out the person who was carving as a noob hazard.



I just mentioned vegan boots in case someone knew if almost all boots have leather or animal rubber or not. I can Google vegan snowboard boots and find all types of stuff but I don't want to pay 3X for some specialty thing if I can find a new pair of boots that are vegan for like $50, I just didn't want to start emailing every manufacturer, but I guess I will.

So my only question now is if someone happens to also have a 10.5" X 4.5" foot and what size and brand fits you good so I don't have to drive out to the store and try on a bunch of boots and pay more from the store than how I see there are a lot of boots new on eBay for like $50 shipped.


Thanks
Take care, don't end up on Ridiculousness or become an example of self defense on the mountain.

 

LOL @ some of you. I come here with a legitimate few questions and just got made fun of. : Maybe it's because the vegan thing, maybe we'll have an Off Topic debate about that..

Nope. That didn't help, but it was asking if you should go with click ins.

 

during a random stop at Sierra-at-Tahoe i didn't have my gear and had to rent. they used click-ins at the time. coming off a run on to the bunny hill, about halfway down, i went toeside and one of the bar things on the boot popped out. caught my heel edge and tomahawk'd it down the hill, lost all my shit. the board went sailing down to everyone at the bottom.

i vote no.

 

Lastly, about boot size. My foot is literally 10.5" x 4.5" (at the largest points), so what size and brand do you think I should get? Sneakers and boots are all different for me, sometimes a 10 fits, sometimes an 11 fits depending on the brand, sometimes an 11 fits with a gel insole. I want to put gel insoles in the snowboard boots. I really want to buy used but wearing someone's used boots is not my thing even if I sanatize them 10X, so I'm hoping I can find the right boots on the first try and buy new. I don't really have any stores near me. I can buy online and test, but return shipping would cost like $20 for $45 boots. I'm 5'8" 155lbs male. I'll use a calculator for which size board to get. Also wordering if I should get raisers to avoid heel/toe catching the ground while carving and causing a fall.

Thanks take care.

boots...try 32's...they are fairly wide....get best fitting boot, just like a ski boot

board...you don't need a midwide or wide, ...mid 150 range 153-158...depending on terrain, snow and style

get strap bindings or flows...no clickers

keep your board on your feet and downhill of you....just like skiing....better to save you from going over a cliff.

falling...learn how to fall....stay loose but tuck and roll/slide and with arms....grab your man breast....you want to hit/land with the biggest body part...(NOT with the hands)...if you fall backwards...try to land on a butt cheek...not the tailbone...if going to the knees...try to angle and glance instead of a direct hit.

wear a helmet

 

thanks. basically what I read is new boots should be snug but not annoying, and they'll loosen up in a few rides instead of buying what's comfortable at first will loosen up and be too loose, but I can add extra socks/gel insoles.

I'm looking into helmets, it's nice I won't look like a dork because everyone wears them on the mountain unlike skating it's like a big no no, but makes no sense, it likely hold skaters back from their potential not wearing one. I didn't think I needed to know much more than just buy a men's size large but apparently some are only rated for one impact and are garbage afterwards. I guess a hat isn't to be worn under it, I'll look into this and the board size, thanks.


And I know some might disagree with the video, like someone who commented on it on youtube something like 'stupid skiers always carving so wide think they own the mountain', bottom line is the place is a business aimed to the general public and not just for advanced riders, they want as many customers as code will allow riding at once and it is to be expected that there'll be noobs or people who don't ride like you'd like them to.
When there's no one else around, I'm like skiing like I'm in the Olympics, as soon as people come from behind me I practically wait on the side for them to pass. I face backwards %90 of the time lol.

 

I'm not sure why you are so worried about someone hitting you from behind. I would say 99% of the people who are riding fast enough by you to hurt you are good enough borders/skiiers to avoid you, unless you do something really stupid/unpredictable.

The border in that video is obviously the exception. I have no idea how he managed to hit that skiier on a wide open trail. The skiier didn't do anything at all unpredictable either, dude either had his eyes closed or sucks at boarding.

I have only ever hit someone once (ran over their skis), and it was because some dingbat ski instructer had his entire class stopped right on the other side of a dropoff, so I couldn't see any of them until I was basically on top of them.

Also, having your foot release from a binding would be one of the worst things ever to happen on the slope. When you have both feet strapped in you have a lot of leverage and control over the board. As soon as one of them pops out the board is going to take your other leg wherever and however it wants while your body probably goes in the other direction.

 

hahaha... vegan pussy.

 

Vegetarian.......native american word for lousy hunter.

 

You really need to try on boots. Really. Someone might have the same size foot as you, but their foot might have differences that make a boot uncomfortable or not work for them. Ask anyone with the same size foot what boot they wear, and you'll get a myriad of answers and probably some disagreements. Don't skimp on this part just to save a few bucks - I've ridden in poor fitting boots. Worst thing ever. It was somehow tight and loose at the same time. Bruises all over my shin and ankle, pain in my foot, toenails bruised, yet my foot was sliding in the damn thing and I couldn't get good leverage to turn the board smoothly. Just don't go that route.

I teased you because you seem afraid about things that don't typically happen. Like I said, there are accidents and you will fall. But most likely not off a cliff at any in-bounds resort area. And I've never heard of legs breaking due to boots being strapped into bindings - leg breaks happen out there, but that's just the nature of the beast. Most riders use strap-in bindings and are preferred for a reason (ie your boot doesn't come out). If you're doing long carves on a busy day, you might want to keep it smaller to avoid taking up the whole trail and causing a traffic jam as people try to navigate around you - it's just mountain etiquette. And turning suddenly without a glance behind you is a no-no. It's those unpredictable moves that cause a lot of accidents. At least if someone is carving back and forth I can judge a time to pass them if I need to.
But 9 times out of 10, no one is going to come slamming into you going 60mph. It can happen, but I don't understand why we are having a discussion about it.

 

I don't really have any stores near me.

Do not buy boots with out trying different things on. We can only go so far as to tell you good brands on here but we cant tell you what to buy because everyones fit is different. There have got to be places near you to get boots. REI sells them and Zumiez sells 32s which is a great boot(don't buy anything else snowboard wise from Zumeiz tho). As for size you want to find a boot that's snug but not uncomfortably tight because the boots will pack out as you use them.

As for bindings........ don't be that guy. There is a reason you don't see click-ins anymore. They are obsolete. If you take some time and learn it is actually beneficial to have both feet stay put. The board wont let you roll if you learn to fall properly. You will either slide on you butt or slide on your stomach. In the video you posted that guy was hallin and he just slid out on his butt.

 

I will play along.

I wasn't being a smartass, the idea about releasing vs non-releasing bindings is what made me post what I did.

Clicker bindings went away for a reason. Also, snowboard bindings don't release for a reason. People from outside the sport have come in as early as the late 80's trying to inject certain inappropriate "technology" into snowboarding without realizing that it was a horrible idea. Releasable bindings might be the best example.

As far as the video, it was totally the snowboarder's fault. The uphill rider/skier is responsible to avoid the downhill rider/skier. People have the right to choose their own line without worrying about being hit from behind. When you ride that fast, you have a responsibility to be able to avoid any potential collision regardless of any directional changes in the person below you. Speed can increase safety if it is handled properly. I use speed to get into the open spaces away from other riders so I would not hit them regardless of any erratic direction changes they may make.

It's just part of situational awareness.
slight off-topic: IMO devices such as headphones and especially "augmented reality goggles" would detract from situational awareness. That snowboarder was not aware of his imminent intersection with the skier and should have been anticipating any directional/speed change in the downhill skier that would have lead to this collision. (don't know if boarder had headphones on)

 

I don't think the snowboarder in the video was distracted (although I'm sure it happens), they were just riding faster than their skill level would allow. You can see them make a few skidded turns at the start, and they obviously start reacting to try and avoid the eventual collision after they pass the first skier. Rider then loses control and skids into second skier. Skiers did nothing wrong, obviously.

Edit: VVVV Agreed. VVVV

 

Clarification: the rider in the vid may not have been distracted by any tech devices, but they were not aware enough to predict the collision based on the intersecting paths each was on.

I re-watched the vid and the rider used the "hockey stop" method of a hard heelside slide to stop, which obviously wasn't adequate at that speed. If it was an actual heelside turn (as opposed to a heelside slide), then the rider could have avoided the collision by going to the left ahead of the skier.

Also, leaving scene of accident, especially one that was your fault, very bad.....

 

asking questions a bout bindings that haven't been sold for the last ten years is a good sign of a troll too.

 

I found many threads, people sounded like they were advanced praising click ins and still riding them sometimes. I might get both, I might just get a cheap used click-in just to have and then sell it and break even if I have to.

I give absolutely zero fucks about what you choose to eat. You're probably better off not snowboarding because you're afraid.

you read it wrong, "I didn't ski 25 times and snowboard only once because I was afraid of snowboards. I skied instead because I knew I could keep up with my group on skis."

and I meant I didn't have an over-fear. Having zero fear for something like skiing at any experience level is not wise.



ok thread solved, thanks.

 

too long didn't read

 

also, at the bottom, he was bragging to friends about how fast he was going: Not Cool. Also, everything is relative. 50 MPH isn't that fast at the top end of things... but too fast for that skill level-. you can tell by the turns and the body position (see his shadow).

 

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whatever.....

 

It's all the other words that you're using to justify the use of a substandard piece of equipment that no serious rider used ever, and hasn't been manufactured in years.

Also, you do realize you don't get to choose what boots you use with them right? The boots/bindings are pretty much a matched set. You'll be at the mercy of the secondary market and old stock in the hopes that you'll find something that isn't beat to shit and fits your foot. And finding something that isn't constructed with animal byproducts? Good luck with that.

 

K2 have a clicker system again Kwicker Binding | Men's Backcountry-Kwicker Snowboard Bindings | K2 Snowboarding 2014-15 for splitboards which is what OP might be referring to?

 

First post, so I guess I'll start by saying hello to all the folks posting. I've been lurking for a while, but figured I might as well sign up and contribute here and there. Moving on...this person has their mind made up, and apparently asked for advice to waste everyone's time. After a dozen + posts stating how dangerous click in style binding are and mentioning how they have been obsolete for a decade, the OP goes right back to saying he is going to get them anyway. If he has no desire to learn with the proper equipment, let him rip his leg off. Not to mention the lack of a high back, no canted foot beds (or foot beds of any type), lack of continuity with the board, etc that comes with click in bindings. This is the type of person that gives ski leash nazis a voice.
Here is some advice- listen to some of these folks that know what they are talking about. They aren't a bunch of newbs, and know what the f they are saying. If you insist on using obsolete and dangerous equipment; stay off the slopes and stick to the hill in your backyard so you are the only one that ends up hurt from dumb ass decisions.

 

I said I read elsewhere they were praised by riders who sounded like they knew what they were talking about. Example: Snowboarding.com Forums - why not clicker bindings??
I doubt that most people who said don't use them never have.
I'll start with strap ins, maybe I get a pair of click in too, maybe not.