[CreatveArtist]

Thanks for the sizing confirmation Wired - are my big toes getting bruised and sore because my boots are too long? Honestly big toes feel firmly pushed up against the front - I still have bruising under the nail from my 2 days of riding.

As for the width, maybe burton boots just don't fit my foot if I'm feeling pain and numbness on the outer edges? considering my sizing is supposed to be 10 and I was in a 10.5?

I'm even more confused now since you've confirmed my measurements were correct, and are telling me to size down even more though my boots are tight to the point of intense pain and numbness.

Actually, as someone who has wide square feet, it's important to look at your toebox. Your toes shouldn't actually be hitting anything, The boot should hold your feet in place without the toes hitting. The mistake most measurements make is measuring from the widest part of the foot, when you actually want to look at the toe box and see it curves before your toes end. Also as someone who owned the original K2 clickers, I can say unequivocally, that anyone who says that the step-on/clicker bindings aren't that different hasn't used them!

 

[Wiredsport]

Actually, as someone who has wide square feet, it's important to look at your toebox. Your toes shouldn't actually be hitting anything, The boot should hold your feet in place without the toes hitting. The mistake most measurements make is measuring from the widest part of the foot, when you actually want to look at the toe box and see it curves before your toes end. Also as someone who owned the original K2 clickers, I can say unequivocally, that anyone who says that the step-on/clicker bindings aren't that different hasn't used them!

Hi Creative,

This is really two different issues. In a correctly fit snowboard boot you will have firm pressure into the compliant materials of the liner at both your toes and heels. That is true regardless of foot width or shape. The second issue is that the design width of the boot does need to match the width of the foot.

STOKED!

 

[Rodpwnz]

Hi Guys,

First of all, thanks to everyone for all your help! Maybe my boot fit woes will be a lesson and warning to those who checked out the thread!

Second, as an update, after one weekend in those size 11 burton photon step ons, my toe nails were completely bruised(Black and blue) and for months did not heal fully. I didnt even try to ride the 10.5's. After about 6 months I decided it was finally time to see the podiatrist and he recommended surgical removal of my right toenail and partial removal of my left. The right toenail removal and recovery was not a fun experience to say the least...took over a month to heal skin and two months to start growing new nail. I never want to go through that again. The left one that had been clipped halfway had developed into a seriously painful ingrown and I had to get it cut back some more - bloody and painful recovery...still slightly ingrown.

Anyways, here we are months later and many days on the mountain later; I obviously persevered.

I had returned both sets of step ons and boots pre season and picked up a Goretex burton bib and some anon goggles using burton credit. The rest of the credit I had at sports basement, and used that to pick up another set of step on bindings and DC CONTROL step on boots in size 11. Now, I know I know, fool me once...fool me twice. But here is the thing, these boots feel much better and much wider than any of the burton boots. My left toenail is still ingrown so that is uncomfortable after some time in the boot, but that doesn't have to do with the boots - I would be in pain no matter what boot I wore. The nail should grow back to its full length and no longer be dug into the middle of my toe flesh - podiatrist confirmed as well.

The DC control are very flexible, and don't lock my ankles in like the burton boots did, but at least I'm not killing my feet while riding. I had them heat molded and fitted at sports basement and there was still a brief break in period, but after the first 2-3 days, they feel great. I'd recommend to those who do not have a burton foot to check out the DC or the K2 clicker X for an alternative to strap in bindings. I've also looked into Flows, but the step ons are so so nice and quick, even compared to my usual 5 second standing strap in time.

So in conclusion, all is well with the snow board gear and I love my DC boots with step on bindings! Shred on friends!

 

[Wiredsport]

Hi Guys,

First of all, thanks to everyone for all your help! Maybe my boot fit woes will be a lesson and warning to those who checked out the thread!

Second, as an update, after one weekend in those size 11 burton photon step ons, my toe nails were completely bruised(Black and blue) and for months did not heal fully. I didnt even try to ride the 10.5's. After about 6 months I decided it was finally time to see the podiatrist and he recommended surgical removal of my right toenail and partial removal of my left. The right toenail removal and recovery was not a fun experience to say the least...took over a month to heal skin and two months to start growing new nail. I never want to go through that again. The left one that had been clipped halfway had developed into a seriously painful ingrown and I had to get it cut back some more - bloody and painful recovery...still slightly ingrown.

Anyways, here we are months later and many days on the mountain later; I obviously persevered.

I had returned both sets of step ons and boots pre season and picked up a Goretex burton bib and some anon goggles using burton credit. The rest of the credit I had at sports basement, and used that to pick up another set of step on bindings and DC CONTROL step on boots in size 11. Now, I know I know, fool me once...fool me twice. But here is the thing, these boots feel much better and much wider than any of the burton boots. My left toenail is still ingrown so that is uncomfortable after some time in the boot, but that doesn't have to do with the boots - I would be in pain no matter what boot I wore. The nail should grow back to its full length and no longer be dug into the middle of my toe flesh - podiatrist confirmed as well.

The DC control are very flexible, and don't lock my ankles in like the burton boots did, but at least I'm not killing my feet while riding. I had them heat molded and fitted at sports basement and there was still a brief break in period, but after the first 2-3 days, they feel great. I'd recommend to those who do not have a burton foot to check out the DC or the K2 clicker X for an alternative to strap in bindings. I've also looked into Flows, but the step ons are so so nice and quick, even compared to my usual 5 second standing strap in time.

So in conclusion, all is well with the snow board gear and I love my DC boots with step on bindings! Shred on friends!

Hi Rod,
Black toenails are a sign of boots that are too large. Based on your measurements and images above you are an easy fit size 10 in snowboard boots. A size 11 is a full size too large. That extra cm of room will always allow foot motion. Subtle but consistent foot motion inside the boot is what causes black nails.

STOKED!

 

[premier289]

Why would you say the size 11 DC is allowing him to ride pain free and is much more comfortable?

 

[WigMar]

Boots a size too large might be comfy initially. Boots are gonna break in and pack out with time. Even after a few days homie said his heels weren't locked down. Toe bang is caused by the foot sliding forward into the toe box because it has room to do so.

It's interesting here that he's using step ons. Generally people will get into boots that are too large and then compensate by cranking the binding straps down really tightly in an effort to regain some semblance of response and performance. You can't do that with step ons. Not having your heels locked into your boots is a deal breaker for me.

Welcome to the forum though. We do talk about boots here quite a bit. Over the last twenty some years I've went from 13s to 11s. Performance and comfort are both better for me now.

 

[Wiredsport]

Why would you say the size 11 DC is allowing him to ride pain free and is much more comfortable?

Hi, if you read that post, he had both bruised toenails and an ingrown toenail. No boot is going to be comfortable in that situation. Please also note that he was riding in the Burton step-on boots, which we do not suggest, regardless of size or width. A boot which is too large is always going to be a bad option. If you have specific questions about your feet please post up all four of your barefoot measurements. STOKED!

 

[Rorgaard]

This is kind of a necro thread but my Burton ions in my size didn't feel great when I bought them, didn't feel great after I heat molded them. So I heat molded them again, and did some things to address the 'pinch points' (cut up a pair of cotton socks and made thicker toe caps and bumps at my ankle) and now after 10 days on the hill I have no pain or pressure points.

My take away from this was that it's important (for some) to drill down on the customizing process for a new pair of boots.

 

[ShredDragon04]

Hi, if you read that post, he had both bruised toenails and an ingrown toenail. No boot is going to be comfortable in that situation. Please also note that he was riding in the Burton step-on boots, which we do not suggest, regardless of size or width. A boot which is too large is always going to be a bad option. If you have specific questions about your feet please post up all four of your barefoot measurements. STOKED!

I’m currently rocking size US 11 snow board boots. I measure out my foot and it came to approximately mondo 27.3 cm and width 9.53 cm. What size boots should I be wearing?

 

[wallyburger]

Hey everyone,

I am trying to get some Step ons that fit my foot.

I currently have US11 DC Judge 2018, my feet were longer back then but I know realise they are too long. I got them cos the guy in the shop said the toe box is wider.

My feet are
Left length 27.3cm width 9.7cm
Right length 27.4cm width 9.7cm

a snowboard boot US9.5 is 27.1 - 27.6 cm and a US10 is 27.6cm - 28.1cms so it looks like I am a 9.5

I just found this chart from wiredsport - https://www.wiredsport.com/width2.JPG and my foot is a C width at size 9.5, so it's on the narrow side, not wide side. So according to that I should be able to find a boot easily right..........????

My foot at the widest point has a lumpy bone that sticks out and up a bit and I believe this is what gives me problems when finding any shoe, trainer or snowboard boot that fits snugly so I usually size up.

I recently tried on Burton Photon US10 ST boots and they felt ok, in the past I have never fitted a Burton boot even remotely, I also tried on the DC Judge SO and the US10 felt so much smaller than the Burton, I had to go up to an 11 to feel remotely comfortable

I have just received 5 Burton SO boots
9.5 Photon Wide
9.5 & 10 Ion (the 10 in 2023 & 2024 version)
10 Swath

None of them seem to feel right, I havent tried to heat mold any of the boots yet, I have read of many home methods but unsure which to try.

I fitted in the 9.5 wide for length, felt a pinch on the outside of my ankle on right foot, the toe area felt good

10 Swath felt tight in the toe box

I just had the 10 Ion on and the length feels good, maybe even a little long on right foot, which is weird cos that is slightly longer but then I had a pinch point on the outside of my left ankle and then soon after I could feel the boot pressing down on the top of both my feet and cutting the blood off to my toes.

Anyone have any suggestion on tips or tricks to heat mold them or to relieve my pressure points?

Thanks

 

[Rorgaard]

Hey everyone,

I am trying to get some Step ons that fit my foot.

I currently have US11 DC Judge 2018, my feet were longer back then but I know realise they are too long. I got them cos the guy in the shop said the toe box is wider.

My feet are
Left length 27.3cm width 9.7cm
Right length 27.4cm width 9.7cm

a snowboard boot US9.5 is 27.1 - 27.6 cm and a US10 is 27.6cm - 28.1cms so it looks like I am a 9.5

I just found this chart from wiredsport - https://www.wiredsport.com/width2.JPG and my foot is a C width at size 9.5, so it's on the narrow side, not wide side. So according to that I should be able to find a boot easily right..........????

My foot at the widest point has a lumpy bone that sticks out and up a bit and I believe this is what gives me problems when finding any shoe, trainer or snowboard boot that fits snugly so I usually size up.

I recently tried on Burton Photon US10 ST boots and they felt ok, in the past I have never fitted a Burton boot even remotely, I also tried on the DC Judge SO and the US10 felt so much smaller than the Burton, I had to go up to an 11 to feel remotely comfortable

I have just received 5 Burton SO boots
9.5 Photon Wide
9.5 & 10 Ion (the 10 in 2023 & 2024 version)
10 Swath

None of them seem to feel right, I havent tried to heat mold any of the boots yet, I have read of many home methods but unsure which to try.

I fitted in the 9.5 wide for length, felt a pinch on the outside of my ankle on right foot, the toe area felt good

10 Swath felt tight in the toe box

I just had the 10 Ion on and the length feels good, maybe even a little long on right foot, which is weird cos that is slightly longer but then I had a pinch point on the outside of my left ankle and then soon after I could feel the boot pressing down on the top of both my feet and cutting the blood off to my toes.

Anyone have any suggestion on tips or tricks to heat mold them or to relieve my pressure points?

Thanks

Sure. Get the rice pretty damn hot, cut up some cheap, thick cotton socks to use in your hotspot zones for more clearance, and stick them in place under your ski socks for the heat mold process.

 

[wallyburger]

Sure. Get the rice pretty damn hot, cut up some cheap, thick cotton socks to use in your hotspot zones for more clearance, and stick them in place under your ski socks for the heat mold process.

So I heat molded the 9.5 boots with toe caps on around the widest part of my foot and they felt ok. I then put them both back on and after 10-15 mins of standing around, sitting down, standing up again they started to hurt my toes.
Width wise they feel good ( it really does seem like my feet are not wide anymore)
I dont think I felt the blood being cut off to my toes so that is good
It feels like my big toes especially are jamming into the end so now the question is, how much pain should you be in with a brand new boot and will it pack out?

I can already hear every shop assistant saying "dont worry, they will pack out in a few days"
The guide on this forum says "New boots shouldn't be comfortable. Boots will pack out over time, up to a full size" but its hard to know how much uncomfortableness is acceptable, there seems to be a big lack of explanation in this area IMO.

At the moment I am probably only going to snowboard for 6-10 days each year so they will last me many years before they have lost all padding etc so can I get away with a slightly larger more comfortable boot to start with?

Does anyone who has been through this downsizing to the correct size process, or anyone else, have any input?

 

[Rorgaard]

heat molded the 9.5 boots with toe caps on around the widest part of my foot and they felt ok. I then put them both back on

Just to make sure, you got them hot, put them on, waited 10+minutes for them to cool, then took them off and put them back on again without the 'sock mods' and it felt tight?

 

[wallyburger]

Just to make sure, you got them hot, put them on, waited 10+minutes for them to cool, then took them off and put them back on again without the 'sock mods' and it felt tight?

Correct
Rice in for 10 mins
footbed back in
2 toe caps covering my boney bits
foot in for 10-11 mins with toes resting on a piece of wood, leg bent and leaning forward

After I did both boots I removed toecaps and feet back in, can feel pressure on my toes

3 observations
1) I question this "Boots will pack out over time, up to a full size" a full size is 1cm but the liner is definitely not greater than 5mm thickness at the front and back so the liner cant pack out that much, unless the liner stretches as well?

2) I have just been feeling the inside of the liner and I can not feel any effect of the heat molding, theres no imprint of my big toe or boney part of my foot. Is this normal? is the heat molding really subtle and not noticable to touch?

3) If I put just the liner on my foot it is tight on my big toe, I'm not sure if that is normal or not

thanks

 

[Rorgaard]

Correct
Rice in for 10 mins
footbed back in
2 toe caps covering my boney bits
foot in for 10-11 mins with toes resting on a piece of wood, leg bent and leaning forward

After I did both boots I removed toecaps and feet back in, can feel pressure on my toes

3 observations
1) I question this "Boots will pack out over time, up to a full size" a full size is 1cm but the liner is definitely not greater than 5mm thickness at the front and back so the liner cant pack out that much, unless the liner stretches as well?

2) I have just been feeling the inside of the liner and I can not feel any effect of the heat molding, theres no imprint of my big toe or boney part of my foot. Is this normal? is the heat molding really subtle and not noticable to touch?

3) If I put just the liner on my foot it is tight on my big toe, I'm not sure if that is normal or not

thanks

The first time I heat molded I felt the same way, so I did it again but got the rice like, really hot. I don't know if it was the temp was not enough the first time or if doing it twice was the trick but after the second time I noticed a big difference and 12 days of riding later it still feels good

 

[bseracka]

a heel lift can help create more room at the toe end of the boot if you still need more room after addressing the other fit areas

 

[wallyburger]

The first time I heat molded I felt the same way, so I did it again but got the rice like, really hot. I don't know if it was the temp was not enough the first time or if doing it twice was the trick but after the second time I noticed a big difference and 12 days of riding later it still feels good

I can give that a go then. Everything felt hot, my lfoot and leg was sweating after I had finished

After heat molding could you feel any shape to the inside of the liner with your fingers?
If you take your liner out of the shell and put your foot in the liner only does it feel tight?

 

[wallyburger]

a heel lift can help create more room at the toe end of the boot if you still need more room after addressing the other fit areas

Is that just putting something in to raise the heel area slightly?
If so will that affect the bumpy bits at the heel end of the liner that help keep your heel locked down?

 

[Rorgaard]

I can give that a go then. Everything felt hot, my lfoot and leg was sweating after I had finished

After heat molding could you feel any shape to the inside of the liner with your fingers?
If you take your liner out of the shell and put your foot in the liner only does it feel tight?

A little? I just walked over and checked and I can kind of feel a difference with my hands but not much. But I have definitely noticed with my feet.

 

[Raeyik]

When you say your foot at the widest part has a bone protruding is it on the inside(groin side) or outside? Just based on what you're writing and your boot issues, I think checking it with a podiatrist is step 1 dude. If you have and I missed it then go seek a second opinion.

You could have a high arch, super tight feet/fascia, which can manipulate your foot shape or even a bunion - something common on narrow footed people.