[Wiredsport]

Hi @Wiredsport

After one crazy experience today, I've started digging through the threads here that cover boot sizing, and I can't believe how much you've been able to help people just over the web - and how much time you must be putting in to this! Anyways, after today's misadventure, I thought I'd shoot you my info and see what you think!

Earlier this week, I bought a pair of Size 9 32 Lashed (2017). I tried several pairs of boots on that day, and it seemed like the 32's were the closest fit (a pair of 2017 Ride Lassos in 9 came close, but the tongue-constrictor boa gave me some strange pressure points that I didn't like - had to crank it down too much to get the heel locked in).
However, when I had the chance to hit the slopes the 32's today... they absolutely killed my feet. After a couple hours, I switched into my brother's very broken-in size 9.5 Ride Anthems (from several seasons back), and while they were better, they still weren't perfect.

Some more detail regarding the fit and feeling of each boot:
- The 32's were definitely too small in the toe-box, and too narrow in the forefoot - Couldn't hold toe-side turns due to pressure on the toes), however, they felt awesome from about the midfoot and back, with the heel locked in, and good ankle support.
- The Ride's felt like combination of too slightly too narrow still in the forefoot, with much better space in the toe-box, though with too much wiggle room in the heel - leading to a little heel lift and forward-back shifting, just enough to make it feel like my feet were working too hard to "grab" at the inside of the boot for control.

Overall, the Rides felt 10x better than the 32's, as they relieved the toe pressure, but also revealed another issue that's only present in my left foot (which I can provide more detail on, if needed - my current plan is to see my sports chiro about it. In brief, it feels like a shifting bone or tendon in the lateral forefoot)

After reading through this thread, and the Wide Boots Petition thread, I measured my feet and came out with the following:
Foot length: 270 mm (+/- 1 mm) - 27 cm
Foot width - This varies depending on how I measure it.
- If I take the largest number (from the most lateral edge of my foot, to the medial edge of my index toe), it's about 111-115 mm (depending on how far my index toe splays, I've got a decent gap between it and the 2nd toe)
- If I take it just across the toe-knuckles, it's a little narrower, at 106 mm (10.6 cm)

I think this puts me at a Size 9 in Mondopoint, but I'm not sure if I fall into EE or EEE width.

From what I've read of these threads so far, it seems like the Burton Ruler Wide or some Adidas boots might be the next best place to look for me. Some combination of the heel and ankle hold of the 32's, and a wider forefoot from the Ride's seems like it would put my feet in boot nirvana, but I don't know if there's anything like that out there.
Do you have any other suggestions or ideas based on the mess of info I've provided?

Thanks for your time and help!

Hi BC,

The first thing we want to do is get your width measurement 100%. Please measure your barefoot width of both feet. If you could place the inside (medial side) of each foot against a wall and measure straight ot to the wide point of the outside (lateral side) that would be awesome. Please snap off some photos of that measurement (might as well confirm length while we are at it). This will be the key to getting your fit right so let's take a minute and dial it in together .

STOKED!

 

[Lad Stones]

Hi Lad,

25.6 nudges you into the correct range for a 260 Mondo (size 8 US). Your foot is also on the narrow side of D. With this new information, let's focus on Mondo 260. Have you tried the Flow Talon? That is an amazing boot for narrower feet. It is very stiff, so if that is your style it is one worth checking out.

Thanks for your time Wiredsport

I did have a look at the Talons as I'm looking for stiff boots but was happy with 32 last time so thought I'd stick with them. I'll give the Talons another look, thanks again :smile:

 

[Wiredsport]

Thanks for your time Wiredsport

I did have a look at the Talons as I'm looking for stiff boots but was happy with 32 last time so though I'd stick with them. I'll give tha Talons another look, thanks again :smile:

32 makes some amazing boots but nothing that fits narrow. You may benefit from the reduced width of the Talon and now that I know that you prefer a stiff boot I am doubling down on that suggestion . Let me know you it goes.

 

[Lad Stones]

32 makes some amazing boots but nothing that fits narrow. You may benefit from the reduced width of the Talon and now that I know that you prefer a stiff boot I am doubling down on that suggestion . Let me know you it goes.

I can't tell from the pictures whether they use leather or not (I won't) so will need to check with them. From a quick look online it's very difficult to find anything under size US9 in the UK - one drawback to smaller feet right there.

Edit: I've also seen what must be your online site with smallest US9! I think I got such a good deal on the boots last time as the shop were left stuck with the small sizes so reduced them so much. Just like what I've found for the 32 MTB at 50% reduction.

 

[BC Snowbeard]

Hi BC,

The first thing we want to do is get your width measurement 100%. Please measure your barefoot width of both feet. If you could place the inside (medial side) of each foot against a wall and measure straight ot to the wide point of the outside (lateral side) that would be awesome. Please snap off some photos of that measurement (might as well confirm length while we are at it). This will be the key to getting your fit right so let's take a minute and dial it in together .

STOKED!

Hi Wired, I've included a google drive link to the pictures I was able to take of my hobbit feet - I don't have enough posts yet to post links/images, so a quick copy-paste to your address bar should be able to bypass that. I'll be sticking around for sure, but I don't want to make a bunch of junk posts in the next 10 minutes just to send the pics! Also, apologies for the poor quality (and for the up close look at my gnarly feet!) my phone is fairly old, balancing while taking pictures accurately was fairly tricky with no roommates home to help out.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2wH00aS6HYMeFhWZUJOeUNWb1U

As best as I'm able to tell, it looks like my measurements are closer to the following:

Left
Width - 110-111 mm
Length - 265-267 mm

Right
Width - 105-106 mm
Length - 268-269 mm

So it looks like the left foot is just a bit shorter and wider, while the right is slightly longer and narrower, by a few mm.
I judged by the orange ruler pics, as I think I was able to be a bit more accurate with those. I left the others in for a better example of how my foot looks when standing naturally.

Thanks again for your time - I'm stoked to be on my way to getting some boots that fit right!

 

[Wiredsport]

Hi Wired, I've included a google drive link to the pictures I was able to take of my hobbit feet - I don't have enough posts yet to post links/images, so a quick copy-paste to your address bar should be able to bypass that. I'll be sticking around for sure, but I don't want to make a bunch of junk posts in the next 10 minutes just to send the pics! Also, apologies for the poor quality (and for the up close look at my gnarly feet!) my phone is fairly old, balancing while taking pictures accurately was fairly tricky with no roommates home to help out.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2wH00aS6HYMeFhWZUJOeUNWb1U

As best as I'm able to tell, it looks like my measurements are closer to the following:

Left
Width - 110-111 mm
Length - 265-267 mm

Right
Width - 105-106 mm
Length - 268-269 mm

So it looks like the left foot is just a bit shorter and wider, while the right is slightly longer and narrower, by a few mm.
I judged by the orange ruler pics, as I think I was able to be a bit more accurate with those. I left the others in for a better example of how my foot looks when standing naturally.

Thanks again for your time - I'm stoked to be on my way to getting some boots that fit right!

Hi BC,

Thanks for those photos. Your feet will upsize to an easy 270 Mondo (size 9 in snowboard boots). You are almost an EEE width. The Burton Ruler Wide in size 9 is my suggestion.

STOKED!

 

[BC Snowbeard]

Hi BC,

Thanks for those photos. Your feet will upsize to an easy 270 Mondo (size 9 in snowboard boots). You are almost an EEE width. The Burton Ruler Wide in size 9 is my suggestion.

STOKED!

Thanks Wired! I'll get a pair ordered in to my local shop ASAP, and I'll let you know how it goes.
Any recommendations on heat molding - with or without toe-cap, etc?

 

[Wiredsport]

Any recommendations on heat molding - with or without toe-cap, etc?

Hi BC,

Our first time heat fit suggestions are always the same.

Professionally done
No toe caps
Flat surface (no ramps or lifts)
Knees bent slightly
No motion for 3 minutes

STOKED!

 

[f00bar]

Hi BC,

Our first time heat fit suggestions are always the same.

Professionally done
No toe caps
Flat surface (no ramps or lifts)
Knees bent slightly
No motion for 3 minutes

STOKED!

Strange, last time I had it done they had me walk around for like 10 minutes. Which after the fact seems kind of strange as I don't walk around when riding.

 

[Wiredsport]

Strange, last time I had it done they had me walk around for like 10 minutes. Which after the fact seems kind of strange as I don't walk around when riding.

Moving during a heat fit is worse than no heat fit at all. The whole concept of the fit is to get an exact negative of your foot. Once heated the liner material will reposition into the negative areas of your foot. If you are moving you create an oversized, poorly defined, cavity. Please veto if any boot fitter suggests this.

 

[BC Snowbeard]

Gotcha - sounds good to me!

I'm getting beyond hyped to get the right pair of boots on my feet and get back out on the slopes. All my local mountains are getting record amounts of snow, and I can't miss out on that!

 

[Winter_Lion]

Snowboard Boot Size Web Tool - Mondo, Brannock & Internet

Holy mole! My Salomon Wide Dialogue's just came in last night. Damn things came with an instruction manual just to wear them! I pulled out the inner liner and this is what I have now. Did I measure wrong? Ironically, during the clearance sale I picked up some Salomon women's snow socks. So at least I have some thin snow socks for my heat fitting. My other socks are thicker. Ouch, @Wiredsport what exactly should I be feeling besides tightness... I feel like my right toe thumb is rightthere against the end of the shoe. I haven't even laced them up. I'm already feeling some strain or soreness on the right toe side all along the left side going down to the arch of my foot. My right foot is the issue not the left. My right foot almost feels crunched and almost bented. Still lacing these shoes. Heat fitting and the shoe packing out will fix that?

 

[Wiredsport]

Holy mole! My Salomon Wide Dialogue's just came in last night. Damn things came with an instruction manual just to wear them! I pulled out the inner liner and this is what I have now. Did I measure wrong? Ironically, during the clearance sale I picked up some Salomon women's snow socks. So at least I have some thin snow socks for my heat fitting. My other socks are thicker. Ouch, @Wiredsport what exactly should I be feeling besides tightness... I feel like my right toe thumb is rightthere against the end of the shoe. I haven't even laced them up. I'm already feeling some strain or soreness on the right toe side all along the left side going down to the arch of my foot. My right foot is the issue not the left. My right foot almost feels crunched and almost bented. Still lacing these shoes. Heat fitting and the shoe packing out will fix that?[/IMG]

Hi Winter,

This is what we would expect lengthwise from your length measurements below. We had to go up a half size to 250 Mondo for you because they do not make this boot in 245. The insert is actually longer than we typically suggest. Your issue is one of width. I want to make sure that we have your wdith measurements correct. Please place the medial side (inside) of your feet against a wall. Please measure out to the widest point on the lateral side and take a picture of those measurements. Also please shoot the above photos again one foot at a time with your foot centered over the width of the insert.

Left foot:
Length: 24.3 cm
Width: 9.2 cm

Right Foot:
Length: 24.5
Width: 9.4 cm

 

[Winter_Lion]

[/QUOTE] Left foot:
Length: 24.3 cm
Width: 9.2 cm

Right Foot:
Length: 24.5
Width: 9.4 cm[/QUOTE]

so I got my soft tape ruler instead of drawing out my shape.

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[Wiredsport]

Hi Winter,

Thanks,

We are looking good. Please go and get that heat fit done . I would not suggest anything special at first.

Here are our generic fit tips:

Your boots should be snug!
The most common complaint about boots is that they are too loose, not too tight. The junction between rider and board begins with the boot, as it is in the most direct contact with the rider. When fitting boots, use the following method: A. Slip into the boot. B. Kick your heel back against the ground several times to drive it back into the boot's heel pocket. C. Lace the boot tightly, as though you were going to ride. NOTE: This is where most sizing mistakes are made. A snowboard boot is shaped like an upside down "7". The back has a good degree of forward lean. Thus, when you drop into the boot, your heel may be resting up to an inch away from the back of the boot, and your toes may be jammed into the front of the boot. Until the boot is tightly laced, you will not know if it is a proper fit. D. Your toes should now have firm pressure against the front of the boot. As this is the crux of sizing, let's discuss firm pressure: When you flex your knee forward hard, the pressure should lighten, or cease, as your toes pull back. At no time should you feel numbness or lose circulation. Your toes will be in contact with the end of the boot, unlike in a properly fit street or athletic shoe (snowboard boots are designed to fit more snugly than your other shoes). When you have achieved this combination of firm pressure and no circulation loss, you have found the correct size!

 

[Winter_Lion]

Hi Winter,

Thanks,

We are looking good. Please go and get that heat fit done . I would not suggest anything special at first.

Here are our generic fit tips:

Your boots should be snug!
The most common complaint about boots is that they are too loose, not too tight. The junction between rider and board begins with the boot, as it is in the most direct contact with the rider. When fitting boots, use the following method: A. Slip into the boot. B. Kick your heel back against the ground several times to drive it back into the boot's heel pocket. C. Lace the boot tightly, as though you were going to ride. NOTE: This is where most sizing mistakes are made. A snowboard boot is shaped like an upside down "7". The back has a good degree of forward lean. Thus, when you drop into the boot, your heel may be resting up to an inch away from the back of the boot, and your toes may be jammed into the front of the boot. Until the boot is tightly laced, you will not know if it is a proper fit. D. Your toes should now have firm pressure against the front of the boot. As this is the crux of sizing, let's discuss firm pressure: When you flex your knee forward hard, the pressure should lighten, or cease, as your toes pull back. At no time should you feel numbness or lose circulation. Your toes will be in contact with the end of the boot, unlike in a properly fit street or athletic shoe (snowboard boots are designed to fit more snugly than your other shoes). When you have achieved this combination of firm pressure and no circulation loss, you have found the correct size!

So the guy at the REI store suggested aftermarket inserts, we laced them up first explained the issue I felt. Tried kicking back the boot, bending my knees, then the inserts came, first one only moved the pain/soreness (ball of my foot to the arch) to across my foot (ball of my foot to across my metatarsals underneath) once that worked out, proceeded with the heat fit, boot cooked for ten minutes, I sat down for ten minutes, no ramp, no toe cap, no walking, then I waited another ten more minutes then I went home. Very stoked for next week!

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[BC Snowbeard]

Quick update - I had a chance to take my Adidas Tactical ADV out for a day.

Mind. Blown!

Having a boot that fits right is like taking off a straight-jacket and throwing on your favourite sweater, but for your feet. So much easier and enjoyable to ride, now.

Thanks @Wiredsport for the help! I know I didn't go with the Burtons you recommended, but the Adidas fit like a dream. I'll put together a full write-up/review if I can grab a spare moment over the weekend, or just after. There might finally be another boot out there for the wide-footed riders club, even if they aren't advertised as such.

 

[Wiredsport]

proceeded with the heat fit, boot cooked for ten minutes, I sat down for ten minutes, no ramp, no toe cap, no walking, then I waited another ten more minutes then I went home. Very stoked for next week!

Hi Winter. Standing is super important during the heat fit. Standing (weighting) changes the shape of your foot drastically. Do I understand that you were fit sitting down? I apologize for not specifying this.

 

[Wiredsport]

Quick update - I had a chance to take my Adidas Tactical ADV out for a day.

Mind. Blown!

Having a boot that fits right is like taking off a straight-jacket and throwing on your favourite sweater, but for your feet. So much easier and enjoyable to ride, now.

Thanks @Wiredsport for the help! I know I didn't go with the Burtons you recommended, but the Adidas fit like a dream. I'll put together a full write-up/review if I can grab a spare moment over the weekend, or just after. There might finally be another boot out there for the wide-footed riders club, even if they aren't advertised as such.

BC,

Our goal is stoked riders with happy feet. We have no brand allegiances when it comes to your doggies. So happy that this worked out for you.

 

[Winter_Lion]

Hi Winter. Standing is super important during the heat fit. Standing (weighting) changes the shape of your foot drastically. Do I understand that you were fit sitting down? I apologize for not specifying this.

Yes, I was sitting down on a bench. Any way to remedy the situation? Supposedly, the REI said that I can heat fit more than once I take it that's false?

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