[Wiredsport]

Near the end of last season I found this forum, measured my feet and posted on the wiredsport recommendation thread. I am a Mondopoint 260 with EEE width. I tried the Salomon Dialogue Wide and had bad toe jam issues with those. Maybe just too loose ultimately even though I sized them correctly. I then picked up the Burton Ruler Wides and had better luck with those. However, my toe jam issue didn't disappear completely. It just went from really painful with the Salomon boots to sore during the day and the day after with the Burton boots. I also use high arch Evo footbeds. It seems like the issue really materializes when I am on my heel edge putting a lot of pressure. Maybe the boots just packed out enough to be too big effectively. Maybe I should have gone half a size down. Technically my feet are about 25.5cm in length with one being a tiny bit longer than the other. About 10.5 cm in width.

I am getting frustrated and am looking for feedback from others since there aren't many wide boot options.

I plan to order the Ride Lasso Pro Wide and the Burton Photo wide in my Mondopoint size and maybe a half size down as well. There aren't any other wide models out there to try AFAIK other than the K2 Mayasis which seem of low quality for the price when I tried them on at Evo last year. My concern with the Photon and Ride Lasso are the fact that they are stiffer boots which is fine for some of the riding I do but when I spend time in the terrain park and such less stiff boots would be nice.

Hi Kelvinator,

Based on the info above you are Mondopoint 255 or size 7.5 US in snowboard boots. You also mentioned EEE width. Please post your four barefoot measurements. Neither of the boot sizes mentioned in your post would be correct for your foot or suggested based on these measurements. How were those selected?

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[Wiredsport]

I have the Dialogue wide in US 7 (my mondo is 250) and have bruised big toe issues as well. My left is almost fully grown back from last season.

Have you tried ankle wraps (butterfly) or jbars. They didn’t work for me, but it’s worth a try. I tried tightening the boa laces more, but that just causes circulation and numbness problems.

Another thought is to try elevating the heel, so that it moves the big toe back a little. I bought some heel inserts that can adjust height with different layers, so I’m going to try the next time I board.

Please also post up your four barefoot measurements. Black toenail are almost always from too large a boot which allows motion inside the boot. STOKED!

 

[Wiredsport]

I would go to a store if possible and try them on. I used that thread as well, was told to get an E width/given 2 suggestions that didn't work AT ALL. Went into the store and found a non-wide boot that fits me PERFECTLY.

I was told a 10.5 was my fit but my toes were curled under in 2 different brands (wear a size 12.5 regular shoe). Went to the store and all 3 employees agreed 10.5 was way too small, got me in an 11. Check your boot length, try a half size up.

Please post a link to your original fit thread.

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[Wiredsport]

Hi Kelvin,

Got it and thanks! Based on your old thread and this new confirmation you are not Mondo 255 but Mondo 260. You are at the smaller side of the range for this size with one foot being Mondopoint 255. This is size 8 in snowboard boots. Your smaller foot is size 7.5 and will have some room to move which can certainly cause toe bang issues. Heat fit will not have had any effect on that smaller foot as the boot is technically too large. The Salomon Wide boots are E width and would not have been suggested. Those are two width size smaller than your foot and will feel way to short at the outer toes. We need to match both length and width. Have you ridden your Burton's without the aftermarket footbeds. A footbed which does not suit the boot can cause big problems. Also please tell me your socks.

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[Wiredsport]

Yes, foot beds that are more pronounced than the design footbed can effectively lift and shorten the foot by creating more toe to heel curvature. As you are already at the very small side of the spectrum this could be problematic. I always suggest that riders begin with no aftermarket accessories and proceed based on that experience.

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[Wiredsport]

I found the measurements I took a while back. In this thread post

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25 cm length
9.5 cm width

I took my measurements again and did it 3 times to ensure I didn’t measure wrong.

Left foot length: 25.1cm, 25.1 cm, 25.05 cm
Left foot width: 9.2 cm, 9.4 cm, 9.35cm

Right foot length: 24.95cm, 24.9 cm, 24.95 cm
Right foot width: 9.35cm , 9.5 cm, 9.4 cm

Most of the time, I get a sore left big toe. The boots fit snug in the morning, but my left starts to get painful in the afternoon. I usually have to stop, take off the left boot and re-lace. This seems to relieve the discomfort, but eventually comes back. By the end of the day, my left big toe is sore. I jammed my left towards the end of last season when I slipped on my heel side while traversing on a steep. My right big toe gets a little sore, but not all the time.

Hi Tekno,
25.1 is Mondo 255 or size 7.5 US in snowboard boots. You are an E width. While some riders do like to ride beneath their Mondopoint size, I do not suggest it. Even though they are too small, you may be able to work with your current boots to get a better fit. What socks are you using? Any footbeds? Was heat molding done?

 

[Wiredsport]

Hi,

I am assuming the heat gun was not used on the liner, correct? Have you ridden without the footbeds? Aftermarket footbeds often take fit in the wrong direction. Was your heat fit done with these footbeds in place?

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[Wiredsport]

OK, Many thoughts

A heat gun is way too hot for a snowboard boot liner. It will almost certainly have damaged the EVA. This causes the liner material to become non-compliant. Also your footbeds need to be in the liners during heat molding. If you change liners you need to heat mold again, but at this point with your liner condition, that will not help. In this case you really should get new boots.

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[Wiredsport]

Damn. Well I tried my best to keep the gun away at the lowest setting. I guess this explains why that big toe area of the liner feels thinner than the other parts. I had thought that area was packing out due to the pressure from my big toe.

Is the Salomon Dialogue or Synapse wides still the recommended brand for my foot? I might have to tough it out this season, because I don't see any of the shops having the US 7.5 Wide. Thanks!

Hi, Yes, thinning and stiffening of the EVA is a telltale sign of overheating. This can happen at much lower temps than produced by a heat gun. It is very common with the "rice" method. Also yes to Salomon Wide boots. They will be great if you can find an E width in Mondo 255.

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[Wiredsport]

What do you suggest then for people who have high arches where pretty much all shoes and boots in existence don't have enough arch support for high arches? FYI, I never heat molded my burtons at all since I had ordered them online.

Hi kelvin.

I will be happy to help. It is important to note that there is a huge variety in aftermarket footbeds both stock and custom. The vary in height, curvature toe to heel, contour, length and width. While some are cut to size others are not. Many footbeds will not work with a given boot. In every instance the footbed needs to be in the liner during molding. That is the only way they will mate (to the degree that they will).

The best spot to start is always to find your mondopoint size as described. Have the boots heat fit with the stock insert in place. Ride them. If after break in you are having comfort issues that is the time to consider aftermarket products. Making changes to a boot that has yet to settle in is not advised as you will need to redo those in short order.

Salomon Wide boots fitting at EEE would be an outlier data point. That is is indeed contrary to broad experience with Salomon Wide models which are extremely reliable at E width and it is good that you are addressing your pair with the mfg.

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[Wiredsport]

im a size 26.5 mondo left foot 26 right foot with eee also fat feet on top. Tried salomon synapse wide in 8.5, 9 & 9.5 each for one trip and all was miserable. Tried photon wide 9.5 one trip and could only ride for 2 hrs. Then found k2 thraxis in size 9.5 and can ride all day long. Give them a try

Hi tballs,
Salomon's Wide boots are E width, so two width sizes too small for EEE. These would not be expected to work for you. Size 9.5 is a full size too large for your larger foot an 1.5 sizes too large for your smaller foot. We should really get a look at what is going on. Please post up images of your four barefoot measurements being taken. STOKED!

 

[Wiredsport]

I really believe that burton boots dont is for more flat top foots. The k2 thraxis is the best boot for wide fat feet. Screw the wide boots they all bs. Alot of boots is for skinny flat on the top part of foot

Hi tballs,

Riding in boots that are 1.5 sizes too large causes many other issues, A very important one is an uncentered foot in terms of toe to heel placement on the board. We should really get a look at what is going on. Please post up images of your four barefoot measurements being taken. STOKED!

 

[Wiredsport]

I recognize the stats you are quoting are probably true based on what the manufacture is saying but I have a hard time believing that their numbers aren't bs or just off in some way. Maybe the Salomon wide boots are only width E but they were way looser than my EEE wide burtons. So either the manufacture stats are wrong or something else is going. IDK haha.

Hi Kelvin,
Please read our hundreds (thousands?) of fits here with the Dialogue Wide and Synapse Wide. They have not changed their fit on these models for this season. What you have written is complete departure from years of experience with these boots across the size range. That is not to discount your pair, but we also do not see much sample variation with either Burton or Salomon. As such I would suggest that you follow through with your communication with the mfg. because this is definitely outlier data.

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