I would go to a store if possible and try them on. I used that thread as well, was told to get an E width/given 2 suggestions that didn't work AT ALL. Went into the store and found a non-wide boot that fits me PERFECTLY.

I was told a 10.5 was my fit but my toes were curled under in 2 different brands (wear a size 12.5 regular shoe). Went to the store and all 3 employees agreed 10.5 was way too small, got me in an 11. Check your boot length, try a half size up.

 

I would go to a store if possible and try them on. I used that thread as well, was told to get an E width/given 2 suggestions that didn't work AT ALL. Went into the store and found a non-wide boot that fits me PERFECTLY.

What non-wide boot did you get?

 

I can not recommend the photons. Unlike the burton rulers or the ions the photons are not acually wide but just come with a thinner liner to make room in the toe area. Also most brands (obviously with exceptions) make their boots for a certain foot shape and just change flex and lacing options. So in most cases if one boot doesn't fit your foot shape other models of the same brand won't fit either.

Maybe try on some Adidas Tacticals as well. Built quality is really nice and the toebox is roomy! The Lasso Pro seems a nice option as well. Give us some feedback on those if you choose these since there is not much info available on those.

The thing with most boots is that they lose their flex really quickly (especially burtons). So a stiffer boot will be a mid flexing boot after two weeks of proper riding. The good thing is they will stay mid stiff for a long time before they die. This is why it is way harder to find boots that are actually stiff after braking in. So don't stress on boots being a bit too stiff when first trying.

 

I can not recommend the photons. Unlike the burton rulers or the ions the photons are not acually wide but just come with a thinner liner to make room in the toe area. Also most brands (obviously with exceptions) make their boots for a certain foot shape and just change flex and lacing options. So in most cases if one boot doesn't fit your foot shape other models of the same brand won't fit either.

Maybe try on some Adidas Tacticals as well. Built quality is really nice and the toebox is roomy! The Lasso Pro seems a nice option as well. Give us some feedback on those if you choose these since there is not much info available on those.

The thing with most boots is that they lose their flex really quickly (especially burtons). So a stiffer boot will be a mid flexing boot after two weeks of proper riding. The good thing is they will stay mid stiff for a long time before they die. This is why it is way harder to find boots that are actually stiff after braking in. So don't stress on boots being a bit too stiff when first trying.

So I was not able to cancel my order. Interestingly the photon wides seem to be the same width when putting the bottoms of my burton ruler wides against the photons. But the photons feel a lot tighter. Could be the different between them being broken in and not broken in but still.

The Lasso Pro Wide don't seem like they are going to fit the bill either. They feel pretty comfortable overall and are easy to get on but I feel like I am going to struggle with heel lift as they feel quite loose in the heel area.

The TM2 wides are...well IDK. kind of a pain in the butt boot to get on. Feels weird overall even though it feels wide enough. Also feels like heel lift might be an issue as well.

 

Salomon wides are E width and Burton wides are EEE.

 

One thing to consider is that in many cases two jam is caused by the foot sliding in a boot that is too loose, preventing the boot from holding the foot in place. For example my boot is a tight fit to the point that standing up or walking around my toe has firm pressure against the front of the boot. With knees bent and in a riding position my toes are in comfortable contact with the front of the boot. Because my boot fits tightly everywhere my foot doesn’t slide and I don’t jamb my toes despite being right up against the front of the boot.

 

Yeah all good points. I have been thinking the same things about my issue. Especially considering no amount of tightening the boas alleviates the issue and usually just cuts off circulation or makes the boots uncomfortable. I could try the same boots in a half size or full size smaller but I am also just worried about the same thing happening or them not working for some other reason and being out of a bunch more money. Trying to find proper fitting boots that are comfortable seems incredibly difficult and is a very frustrating experience since I have never had boots that fit right and are totally comfortable in 20 years of boarding.

 

I have the Dialogue wide in US 7 (my mondo is 250) and have bruised big toe issues as well. My left is almost fully grown back from last season.

Have you tried ankle wraps (butterfly) or jbars. They didn’t work for me, but it’s worth a try. I tried tightening the boa laces more, but that just causes circulation and numbness problems.

Another thought is to try elevating the heel, so that it moves the big toe back a little. I bought some heel inserts that can adjust height with different layers, so I’m going to try the next time I board.

 

Please also post up your four barefoot measurements. Black toenail are almost always from too large a boot which allows motion inside the boot. STOKED!

 

I’ve used the new ThirtyTwo TM-2 wides a few times this season and have been pleased thus far.

 

Hi Kelvinator,

Based on the info above you are Mondopoint 255 or size 7.5 US in snowboard boots. You also mentioned EEE width. Please post your four barefoot measurements. Neither of the boot sizes mentioned in your post would be correct for your foot or suggested based on these measurements. How were those selected?

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Right Foot: Length: 25.6 cm, Width: 10.3-10.4 cm
Left Foot: Length: 25.8 cm, Width: 10.4 cm

These were taken this morning. A couple days ago I quickly retook them and got the 25.5 and 10.5.

My measurements from my original post last season were:

Right Foot: Length: 25.5 cm Width: 10.7 cm
Left Foot: Length: 25.7 cm Width: 10.5 cm

Please also post up your four barefoot measurements. Black toenail are almost always from too large a boot which allows motion inside the boot. STOKED!

Fortunately it isn't bad enough to cause black toenail. Just sore toes.

Please post a link to your original fit thread.

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I already posted the link to my original thread in the OP. Hyperlinked on the thread word.

 

OP a couple of things come to mind. @Kijima posted some pics of a great mod where he blew out the shell of his softboot using some block jigs and iirc a bit of heat from a heat gun and modded the liner. Another is butterflies or half butterflies and j bars help hold the heel down...however they don't push the heel back in the pocket. Thus ime the 2 things that keep your feet/toes pulled back are 1, footbeds/insoles with well fitting arch and 2, putting some extra 1/4" boot fitting foam in the lower shin area, just a bit above the front of the ankle on the outside of the tongue part of the liner. This will help push back your foot and make sure your heel is deep in the pocket when you snug down the cuff. Actually anymore its the cuff/ankle area that I pay attention to more and the foot/toe box has plenty of wiggle room/circulation. Thus these 2 thinks will help prevent your foot sliding forward on heelside and thus avoid toe jam/black toe. Also you know after break-in/pack out there often alot of room that forms...and in part that is why your foot begins to slide forward. Ime the pack out becomes more of the issue...and thus keeping the heel back in the pocket.

 

Hi Kelvin,

Got it and thanks! Based on your old thread and this new confirmation you are not Mondo 255 but Mondo 260. You are at the smaller side of the range for this size with one foot being Mondopoint 255. This is size 8 in snowboard boots. Your smaller foot is size 7.5 and will have some room to move which can certainly cause toe bang issues. Heat fit will not have had any effect on that smaller foot as the boot is technically too large. The Salomon Wide boots are E width and would not have been suggested. Those are two width size smaller than your foot and will feel way to short at the outer toes. We need to match both length and width. Have you ridden your Burton's without the aftermarket footbeds. A footbed which does not suit the boot can cause big problems. Also please tell me your socks.

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Hi Kelvin,

Got it and thanks! Based on your old thread and this new confirmation you are not Mondo 255 but Mondo 260. You are at the smaller side of the range for this size with one foot being Mondopoint 255. This is size 8 in snowboard boots. Your smaller foot is size 7.5 and will have some room to move which can certainly cause toe bang issues. Heat fit will not have had any effect on that smaller foot as the boot is technically too large. The Salomon Wide boots are E width and would not have been suggested. Those are two width size smaller than your foot and will feel way to short at the outer toes. We need to match both length and width. Have you ridden your Burton's without the aftermarket footbeds. A footbed which does not suit the boot can cause big problems. Also please tell me your socks.

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Yeah I agree with you and every boot I have purchased so far as been a size 8. However, the way the Burtons packed out does make me wonder if the 7.5 would have been better. I also have the toe bang issues in both feet and don't notice them being worse off in one or the other.

Makes sense on the Salomon boots but to be fair those boots felt plenty roomy in the toe box. They just didn't seem to hold my heel well enough to prevent me from getting the toe jam.

I have not ridden my burtons without the aftermarket footbeds. Good to know though! I will try doing so next time I ride them.

I am using Darn Tough wool snowboard/ski socks. I don't know the exact model but they are fairly thin.

 

Yes, foot beds that are more pronounced than the design footbed can effectively lift and shorten the foot by creating more toe to heel curvature. As you are already at the very small side of the spectrum this could be problematic. I always suggest that riders begin with no aftermarket accessories and proceed based on that experience.

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While I am not sure I totally understand how the aftermarket footbed could be the source of the issue I will try them with the stock foot beds and report back. I was using Evo high arch footbeds as I do have a high arch. According to Evo they should help keep my foot from sliding forward. They also don't seem much bulkier than the stock ones. Having minimal arch support with high arches also seems like a downside long term. But anyways, we will see how the standard footbeds work out!

 

Try on a pair of Burton Ion Leather boots. Not the fabric-shelI Ions. I have size 12 EEE feet with relatively narrow heels and these fit better than anything else I have tried. The leather ones fit wider and have a more progressive flex than the fabric ones. I ride about 120 days a year, mostly in Utah, and they tend to last a season. About two days to break in. I am 6'/188 pounds. Yours should last much longer.

 

Interesting! Thanks for the tip! Checking these out they are quite spendy! Seems like you are mainly paying more for the leather/style. I currently have the Burton Photon Boa wide, Ride Lasso Pro wide, and the Adidas Tactical ADV Lexicons on the way so I think I will try those out first before considering something more expensive like the leather ions.

 

Hi,

I am assuming the heat gun was not used on the liner, correct? Have you ridden without the footbeds? Aftermarket footbeds often take fit in the wrong direction. Was your heat fit done with these footbeds in place?

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I had the boots heat molded at a local sports shop with the original footbeds. After using the boots a few days, I used the heat gun on the toe area of the liner and swapped the footbeds. I haven't ridden without the footbeds yet.

 

OK, Many thoughts

A heat gun is way too hot for a snowboard boot liner. It will almost certainly have damaged the EVA. This causes the liner material to become non-compliant. Also your footbeds need to be in the liners during heat molding. If you change liners you need to heat mold again, but at this point with your liner condition, that will not help. In this case you really should get new boots.

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Damn. Well I tried my best to keep the gun away at the lowest setting. I guess this explains why that big toe area of the liner feels thinner than the other parts. I had thought that area was packing out due to the pressure from my big toe.

Is the Salomon Dialogue or Synapse wides still the recommended brand for my foot? I might have to tough it out this season, because I don't see any of the shops having the US 7.5 Wide. Thanks!

 

im a size 26.5 mondo left foot 26 right foot with eee also fat feet on top. Tried salomon synapse wide in 8.5, 9 & 9.5 each for one trip and all was miserable. Tried photon wide 9.5 one trip and could only ride for 2 hrs. Then found k2 thraxis in size 9.5 and can ride all day long. Give them a try

 

Hi tballs,
Salomon's Wide boots are E width, so two width sizes too small for EEE. These would not be expected to work for you. Size 9.5 is a full size too large for your larger foot an 1.5 sizes too large for your smaller foot. We should really get a look at what is going on. Please post up images of your four barefoot measurements being taken. STOKED!