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For every 5 people that enjoy steady work in the snowboarding industry without college degrees, there are probably another 15 who would love to replace them. There is no shortage of unskilled labor in this country.

There are probably less than half of that number of people WITH college degrees looking to work in the industry. She'll be one step ahead and be able to rely on her skill set and smarts instead of kissing ass or putting out to get ahead (imagine that). College is only a waste of money and time if you waste your time just taking tests instead of learning as much outside the classroom and inside of it.

If you didn't have a habit of shooting your mouth all the time off and being wrong just as often as you are right, then I might put some stock in your opinion. A good judge of people you are not. Stick to snowboard equipment.
And once again I'll mention this to you, you do not work in the snowboard industry or know how it works. Those 15 people are nobodies those 5 people are somebody's. Somebody's will always get the job, nobodies won't. Rarely and I can't stress this enough is there ever someone hired from outside the industry that's looking to break in without paying their dues.

You can think what you want about me and my opinions but the snowboard industry is one thing I know better than you. Don't get so butt hurt that someone has stronger opinions than you and knows something more than you.

I don't think arguing is helping the OP but I think it is helpful to clarify what the snowboarding industry is like.

I have to agree with BA. Pure and simple, snowboarding is an industry where people skills are by far the most important thing and then you need some luck, too. There is an abundance of people (sufficient amount of them are also talented) trying to get into every type of job in the industry and it is not the ones with college degrees that are making the cut. It is the ones who forge good relationships with the people who work in the industry and when I say good relationships I don't mean ass-kissing or putting out.
Nailed it!

Easy way to settle this is for the OP to take my advice and call up a few companies and find out what they are looking for and who they tend to hire.

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As aside, I think that you guys are ignoring the OP's reality. She is a female. How many women do you see on snowboard company staffs? Its not going to work for her the same way it would work for you or I. She'll have to be better and stand out more than the men competing with her for a position. I think a degree (demonstrating she has skills in addition to just people skills) is a good way to stand out.

For Pete's sake, Hannah Teeter has a bronze medal and I don't see Flow, Lib Tech or Mt. Dew (extreme!) plastering her face on ads everywhere. If not for Snowblind and First Descent, I doubt anyone who isn't a hardcore snowboard aficionado would remember who she is.
You can cold call a company all you want and if you can get past the secretary you might actually get 5 minutes with someone, but doing that right now I can guarantee you will be shoved to the bottom of the stack. It's Tradeshow season no one wants to bother talking to anyone that isn't going to either be booking a sales or media appointment. That's just something that comes with knowledge.

Oh no she has a vagina she won't get ahead in snowboarding. What the hell is wrong with you? Here's a list of women for you Sarah Cameron owner Magical GoGo/PomPom Wax, Kristin Cusic Marketing Director 686/Westlife Distribution, Lisa Branner owner Venture Snowboards, Tanya Otero Marketing/Sales/Jack of all trades Omatic Snowboards, Amber Stackhouse Roxy Team Manager, Mia Troy Marketing/P.R. Burton Snowboards, Donna Carpenter Half owner of Burton and marketing something or other, that's just a handful of women working behind the scenes that I deal with. The break down from what I've seen in the U.S. market alone is about 60% male and 40% female with industry jobs. Oh and let me guess you'll throw out there that women don't make as much as men, well the Dragon rep for UT/CO lives in town here she's the number 1 highest grossing sales rep for Dragon in all their territories.

Hannah Teeters biggest issue is she's dumb as fuck. Go talk to her in person and you'll instantly see she ripped one too many bong hits. Plus she rides for Burton not Flow or Libtech. She gets the exposure she gets because her agent doesn't do as good of a job as she could. Although the Sports Illustrated with her not too bad. Plus pipe riding is one step cooler than Boarder Cross it's not what drives sales anymore. Why do you think so many companies cut back on the pipe jocks on their team?

This is a ton of valuable feed back. I have to say I think you are all right.

BA moving to a resort town to waitress/bartend was exactly my plan for next season. I've waitressed fine-dining in country clubs in FL batended the PGA tour, moved and waitress/cocktailed at 2 casinos in Vegas, come home then waitress more for the nearby ski resort for winters (free season pass is a :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:) and a mainstream concert venue in the summer... I have a friend who bartended for 3 seasons @ Yellowstone and will help me get a job there this summer... then I was opting to move to a resort town for next coming winter. If the Yellowstone thing didn't work out I was interested in becoming a white water rafting quide in northern Maine then moving out west. So waitressing and bartending DOES have a lot of benefits and is decent money... but like stated above.. I'm afraid I have the security of being 24 young active and appealing to most employers. What happens when I'm hitting 40? ...will I still be so lucky? Checked out CMC sounds interesting..

I do agree that half the time college is a waste of time and money.. which is why I'm really trying to do my research here. I'm kinda thinking going to yellowstone.. moving to a mountain town is something I SHOULD be doing, but college could put an end to that. Ugh. I'm torn between the above lifestyle and making the right long term decisions.
Bartending pays the bills and it's good money nothing wrong with making that right now while you try to make connections. Half the bar tenders in this town are working on side projects like media companies, athlete management, etc. etc. Whenever I need to turn a quick buck in the fall I go work a few festival weekends slinging drinks and I'm set for a couple months.

Remember this about the lifestyle you're only young once you'll be old the rest of your life. Also your insurance issue was your choice there's affordable options out there I use xsi-now.com for a supplemental coverage incase of getting broken like what happened to you. I railed my hand off a rock last February and it covered over half the cost which was pretty good for 29 bucks a month. Something to consider down the road.

No reason to ever go into debt if your hearts not in it. Quitting college and going back to work full time in a shop was the best thing I could have done when I was 19, almost 10 years later everything I've learned, done, and people I've met have paved the way to what I have going on next. 2 years from now I should be set for life. Just remember the people with degrees always want to tell you that they have that degree as if it validates them more. Those of us with life experience we like to share that.
 
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Oh no she has a vagina she won't get ahead in snowboarding. What the hell is wrong with you? Here's a list of women for you Sarah Cameron owner Magical GoGo/PomPom Wax, Kristin Cusic Marketing Director 686/Westlife Distribution, Lisa Branner owner Venture Snowboards, Tanya Otero Marketing/Sales/Jack of all trades Omatic Snowboards, Amber Stackhouse Roxy Team Manager, Mia Troy Marketing/P.R. Burton Snowboards, Donna Carpenter Half owner of Burton and marketing something or other, that's just a handful of women working behind the scenes that I deal with. The break down from what I've seen in the U.S. market alone is about 60% male and 40% female with industry jobs. Oh and let me guess you'll throw out there that women don't make as much as men, well the Dragon rep for UT/CO lives in town here she's the number 1 highest grossing sales rep for Dragon in all their territories.
Damn. Now that is a list of women if I've ever seen one. Good discussion. Ha funny how.. one second you can convince yourself school can get you what you want out of a career.. and then the next you are back at square one comfortable with the decison to live day by day...

you had mentioned CMC.. know anyone that went to that school and landed a job with a resort... ? altho I can't imagine being happy in an office. Or if there is anyone who benefited within a different field?

Maybe I am better off just moving into subsidized housing within a resort out west and bartending... then do my best to work a side job within a snowboarding event and go from there lol

looks like in conclusion... I should just live life and then marry someone for their money. wtf. :dunno::laugh:
 
How old are you (if you don't mind saying)? If you're still very young then I'd say live like a ski bum (snowboard bum?) until you get it out of your system. A lot of people have been returning to school the last few years due to unemployment and still can't get a job afterward. It's risky to go to school if your heart is elsewhere, because your grades will suffer. If you get to the point where you're very motivated to go to school, and you're a non-traditional student (>25 y/o) then you will be more likely to do well academically.

From what I've seen Baccalaureate degrees are a dime a dozen and barely get you anywhere career-wise. It's all about the grad school. I have a Doctorate degree and it has paid off very well, but anything short of that is risky. I think a college education should primarily be for the sake of education and enrichment rather than job training, but if you want higher education to be primarily for job training then I think you have to be prepared to go beyong undergrad. Some type of professional training pays off very well, for example nursing school, physicians assistant school, but there's no way you will get accepted to those types of programs if you half-ass it through undergrad.

Edit: I know a lady who spent her younger years living the ski bum lifestyle, is now in her 40's with kids and is kind of hurting financially. The fun done run out.

If you found a career not in the industry but with relatively high pay and variable hours you could still ride A LOT, have money to give you more options, and not be tied down to the one resort where you worked.
 
CMC it depends on what you go for I know kids that got shop jobs eventually from having the degree in ski/snowboard business but you can learn everything that course selection teaches you in a season working for a shop. I know some people that have gone on to work various marketing jobs or in lift maintenance or to become ski patrollers. It's a starting point that can get you internships in the town you're in or align you with companies that will let you intern there.

With any job in a resort town if you work days you just want a split shift and a powder clause. Last year I managed a ski shop and had a powder clause with the owner where we'd just call one of the lower guys to open the store and we'd go shred the pow, and then every day was split shift I was on the mountain by 10 and off by 2 or 3 so plenty of riding. I have a ton of friends with jobs like that up here from marketing people down to the kid folding the t shirt in the local t shirt shop it's just something you need to make sure the job offers.

Just a hint if you move west never ever ever live in staff housing and work for the resort unless you're in middle or upper management, the lower you are the less you get out of it.
 
I disagree. If she wants to go to school she should just go. There are tons of people who go "undecided" and just test the waters until they find something that really interests them. You can plan ahead all you want, but I feel like most of the planners outside of doctors/lawyers always end up hating what it was they were so intent to study.

In the end, it really doesn't matter what you major in. It matters to a certain degree, but most employers just want to see the piece of paper and know you are educated and capable of staying motivated/persistent with something. Really, it's becoming increasingly rare to find someone with a degree working in the field they majored in...
I'm glad this was posted as is saves me the trouble of typing out my opinion. My views are the exact opposite of everything LouG posted. That was easy.

Karasene, tuition and student loans get people in financial trouble very quickly. I would say only go to college if you're fairly confident in your path of study/career. Also, avoid private schools. They're just not worth the tuition difference compared to state schools.
 
I'm glad this was posted as is saves me the trouble of typing out my opinion. My views are the exact opposite of everything LouG posted. That was easy.

Karasene, tuition and student loans get people in financial trouble very quickly. I would say only go to college if you're fairly confident in your path of study/career. Also, avoid private schools. They're just not worth the tuition difference compared to state schools.

I agree. Don't got to school just to go, it's a huge waste of time and money. I did the whole undecided thing for a while and a whole lot of nothing came from it. Don't go to school unless you are sure about it.
 
Kara,

I am a new member and first of all I am very sorry about your present situation, it really sucks and I wish you a speedy recovery. I am currently a college student and a boarder from Colorado. I chose to go to Pittsburgh for school even though it takes me away from my amazing slopes back home. I only suggest this if you know what you want to do with yourself and can be better prepared for that job by going somewhere else. However, in this day and age (lovely economy), I highly recommend going back to school but make sure you go back for something you love. If you want to remain in the industry you could consider several different aspects to focus on. You can do the obvious and focus on teaching, selling, and designing the snowboards. You could also get a degree in something that you can apply to other industries/jobs in case it doesn't work out like marketing or something like that :p Anyway if you need specific college info I will try to help just ask :), get better quickly!!
 
Some perspective for you... I'm 24 in February. I graduated in August with a B.A. in English. [/QUOTE said:
LOL. You practically majored in unemployment. :laugh: People who go to school for liberal arts degrees do so more for the love of the subject than for where it can get you in life. I should know: I hold a B.A. in French Literature. :eek: But I wouldn't trade it for anything, since the experience of college and a liberal arts education is what I was looking for. I knew the rest would eventually follow.

Karasene: Sounds like you're undecided. Find an entry-level industry job, get to know the people around you and the ins and outs of resort life, then make an educated decision. At some point you'll figure it out and the next step will be much more clear. You have the time.
 
I will give you another angle at this..... here is my road to boarding... I went to nursing school. got experience in a high demand specialty.... cath lab, ICU, ER, Surgery(my specialty)... Next summer after my oldest daughter graduates highschool I am leaving her in my house in TX. I plan to move up to vail or west denver, maybe even frisco, work 3 days a week and board 4 days a week with my son. My son is 11 and is going to be homeschooled, dunno if you have kids. My wife also boards but since I make plenty with my salary she doesnt really need to work, just work it.. She might pick up a couple of days working in a shop or in the hospital but who knows....

Nursing associates degree RN is about 3 years, BSN is 4 or 2 for either one if you have all pre-requisits. You will need 2 years of experience. Right now in vail there are 9 openings for my specialty, Frisco has about 7 openings, denver has 100s.... Aside from being on my feet all day it is not a very labor intensive job... I can work 3-4 days a week, have 3-4 days off and still make $100k+/year. I have learned to not turn my hobbies into my work, I wont love doing them any more....

The past 5 years I have been traveling to southern colorado to board for 3-5 weeks. I will be able to do alot more boarding if I can walk to the lift and hop on.... All in all I travel 6-8 weeks a year now to various places. 3-5 are for boarding(just boarded 13 days and will be in vail in 8 weeks for a couple more then spring break for 8 more..... the others are to go to the tropics.... although I did 2 weeks in Cali/Oregon/Washington last summer and only spent 1 week in cabo.....

The other bonus working as a travel nurse is I can move on after 3/6/9 months if I want or stay if I want.... There are travel nurse jobs that pay premium salary all over the country and give you a free place to stay while your there....

This is just an outside the industry point of view....
 
I will just add that I am 34 in a couple days so Im not young but I am also not old by any means.... I have 30 years ahead of me with a good career and income along with full benifits with any job I have ever seen.... If I started at 23 instead of 30 and didnt have kids, I could retire by 40 easily with the income I make and putting it in retirement funds.....
 
As of right now, my plan is to go to The University of Colorado at Boulder. It's an hour and a half away from summit county, and they have an awesome architecture program (for what I want to go into). It's a liberal arts school, so if I decide I want to change careers during school I can and stay there. The price for out of state residents is 27,000 but after a year of living there you become a Colorado state resident and it is only half. And last week I came across something saying that students that are attending school from out of state can have the state residency but can keep their old address for health insurance and stuff. I'm not sure that this is true, but I am really hoping that it is.

But some people on the forum have addressed a couple of the negatives to me, including that the town is super liberal (not negative by me since I am myself, but can be), it's expensive, and as one put it the place is full of d-bags.
 
LOL. You practically majored in unemployment. :laugh: People who go to school for liberal arts degrees do so more for the love of the subject than for where it can get you in life. I should know: I hold a B.A. in French Literature. :eek: But I wouldn't trade it for anything, since the experience of college and a liberal arts education is what I was looking for. I knew the rest would eventually follow.
My sister's is in Latin. Shes a supervisor in an insurance agency. :laugh:
 
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I will give you another angle at this..... here is my road to boarding... I went to nursing school. got experience in a high demand specialty.... cath lab, ICU, ER, Surgery(my specialty)... Next summer after my oldest daughter graduates highschool I am leaving her in my house in TX. I plan to move up to vail or west denver, maybe even frisco, work 3 days a week and board 4 days a week with my son. My son is 11 and is going to be homeschooled, dunno if you have kids. My wife also boards but since I make plenty with my salary she doesnt really need to work, just work it.. She might pick up a couple of days working in a shop or in the hospital but who knows....

Nursing associates degree RN is about 3 years, BSN is 4 or 2 for either one if you have all pre-requisits. You will need 2 years of experience. Right now in vail there are 9 openings for my specialty, Frisco has about 7 openings, denver has 100s.... Aside from being on my feet all day it is not a very labor intensive job... I can work 3-4 days a week, have 3-4 days off and still make $100k+/year. I have learned to not turn my hobbies into my work, I wont love doing them any more....

The past 5 years I have been traveling to southern colorado to board for 3-5 weeks. I will be able to do alot more boarding if I can walk to the lift and hop on.... All in all I travel 6-8 weeks a year now to various places. 3-5 are for boarding(just boarded 13 days and will be in vail in 8 weeks for a couple more then spring break for 8 more..... the others are to go to the tropics.... although I did 2 weeks in Cali/Oregon/Washington last summer and only spent 1 week in cabo.....

The other bonus working as a travel nurse is I can move on after 3/6/9 months if I want or stay if I want.... There are travel nurse jobs that pay premium salary all over the country and give you a free place to stay while your there....

This is just an outside the industry point of view....
This sounds like the golden ticket. I have to say tho.. did you claim you're 33 and that your oldest daughter is graduating HS next summer? I'm guessing step-daughter? maybe?

Any way.. I think that you are on to something! This is a great perspective. I brought this post up to some family and someone recommended looking into respiratory therapy. Says if I can find a school with a 2 year program its the same certification as someone who goes for 4 years and that they earn 47k-57k a year... 3-4 days a week and could also take a travel position.

I'm stil checking out options. But if theres a field that doesnt hold you hostage to your job I'll take it. 2 years of school doesnt seem too bad. Thanks :thumbsup: :)
 
That is true for respiratory therapists as well as radiological technologists and surgical technologists. They all make decent money with a 2 year degree. The difference with those and RNs is job availability and opportunities beyond just one area of practice. My wife went to Rad tech school and hated it. She wishes she'd done RN. She doesn't do it anymore after 18 months of it.... the benefit you get from just an extra year of school is amazing. I can literally walk out of my hospital and be working in a day making the same money.
 
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Thats awesome. How much school and time did you invest into your position if you don't mind me asking? Which area did you study?

Yeah I was told rad tech can be pretty boring.. and in respiratory you get move around the whole floor which is great because I'm someone who has to stay moving.
 
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