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Help with centred stance on burton custom camber

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#1 ·
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Hello i got my first setup burton custom camber with genesis est bindings and i want to set centred stance.

The board is twin flex directional with step back on tail.

I tried to stand on it but felt a bit weird for me with the step back
( centered stance to the ref arrow).

This gave me distance 43,5cm from my right binding to the nose and 38,5 cm from left binding to the tail as I remember.. i might be wrong .

As i love ride switch i want the board to be more twin-ish.
A guy in shop told me I have to measure it with the tape so i did .
I set both bidings with the same distance to the tail and nose which is 40,5cm .
I did it right or wrong?
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#2 ·
Well for one, many of the Burton pipe jocks ride the custom and don't center it. You aren't likely to feel the directionalness riding switch with how little it is. For two, "setback" is less specifically descriptive than you'd think. For your reasons we would also need to know if the sidecut is centered on the contact length, or centered on the stance. If it's centered on the stance than shifting your stance forward to "twin" the board will put you in front of the sidecut and it will feel weird. Also need to know if tips are the same length after the contact point. I feel like they are, but if they aren't then you'll be extra forward by centering it how you are. If it it is centered on the running length, and the inserts are setback on that as well, and the tips are the same length, then yes you can "twin" the board.

If you want to know if it is twinnable, I'd hit up Burton. Ask them that, and maybe ask them if the sidecut is centered on the contact length or the stance position, and if the nose and tail are the same length. That will tell you for sure.
 
#3 ·
Custom is true twin (flex, sidecut) between contact points once stance is centered. It has slightly longer nose after contact point so you need to measure 12.5 mm from reference stance markers and slide bindings towards nose to get them centered.

Tbh I couldn't notice any difference between reference setback stance and centered stance when I had the board and was riding switch.
 
#5 ·
You're measuring your bindings on board length. A Custom has a longer nose than tail forward of the EE contacts, but is twin behind this. So if you are positioned your bindings equally on the marks you will be riding with a twin stance. If you want to be perfectly centred on stance with length you need to get a true twin. The longer nose on Custom is to create lift through powdery conditions, however the Custom is specifically really an AM directional twin snowboard.
 
#6 ·
Yes I did set both bindings with equal distance to the nose and tail since i seen on youtube on some review that you can do centred stance with this board .
I dont ride much pow and its more for carving and switch riding, jumps i guess its better to have centred stance no?.
Its my first directional board before i only rented gears for a quite long time. Thats why I need some help and advice.
So basically you tell me that my setup based on lenght is wrong right ? Since the tail and nose have a different size ?
And the solution is to measure 12,5mm from the ref arrow on the binding that is closer to tail and set it forward by this 12.5mm will give centred stance however my gap from both bindings to tail and nose wouldnt be exctacly the same im right ?
Also I will use step on boots and the stepback makes me more troublw to put my boot in the binding , it also might be te angle i have set 12 both in rental i think they put 15 15.
 
#8 ·
And the solution is to measure 12,5mm from the ref arrow on the binding that is closer to tail and set it forward by this 12.5mm will give centred stance however my gap from both bindings to tail and nose wouldnt be exctacly the same im right ?
Just a quick comment that you need to move BOTH bindings forward 12.5mm to get the centered stance.
 
#7 ·
Also I have question if ride directional is better for carving and overall ride ? I have thoughts like that if my weight will be little shifted can I ride both legs switch on equal level or the direction ride will give way more better feel on the nose and the tail doesnt gonna feel weird?
 
#10 ·
Directional stance will help even out the asymmetry between heelside and toeside, and can feel more comfortable if you like to twist your upper body alot. If your shoulders face nose/tail, duck stance should be ok. A directional stance will make your switch riding fakie, it will feel more like riding backwards than just the other way. A directional stance is often something like 20/5 (with burtons est), and needs to be a little set back on board to feel balanced, it moves the center of the stance a little forward on the board, compared to duck.
 
#17 ·
I wanted custom camber, the true twin boards are mostly park boards.
I never had a ride with back stance its just something new for me and feels weird.
I dont ride much pow so I rather chose switch riding instead of pow flow. Probably I will test both of these stances to check them out. But I like to be more centred to have equal or atleast similar feel of riding on both legs .
 
#18 ·
I mean there are some other general differences, but essentially the major difference between a Blossom and a Custom is the shape. Twin is what makes it a "park" board. If you want to have your nose and tail feel the same, you want a twin. Twin doesn't have to equal park and not equal anything else. It just means is rides switch the same as regular, regardless of the terrain it's in.
 
#19 ·
Yes I did set both bindings with equal distance to the nose and tail since i seen on youtube on some review that you can do centred stance with this board .
I dont ride much pow and its more for carving and switch riding, jumps i guess its better to have centred stance no?.
Its my first directional board before i only rented gears for a quite long time. Thats why I need some help and advice.
So basically you tell me that my setup based on lenght is wrong right ? Since the tail and nose have a different size ?
And the solution is to measure 12,5mm from the ref arrow on the binding that is closer to tail and set it forward by this 12.5mm will give centred stance however my gap from both bindings to tail and nose wouldnt be exctacly the same im right ?
Also I will use step on boots and the stepback makes me more troublw to put my boot in the binding , it also might be te angle i have set 12 both in rental i think they put 15 15.
I mean there are some other general differences, but essentially the major difference between a Blossom and a Custom is the shape. Twin is what makes it a "park" board. If you want to have your nose and tail feel the same, you want a twin. Twin doesn't have to equal park and not equal anything else. It just means is rides switch the same as regular, regardless of the terrain it's in.
Yep and additionally there will be no swing weight differences between front and rear when spinning airs. Custom has carbon in the layup making it much stiffer for torsional stability at speed.
 
#21 ·
Thanks for the video its well explained however I allready know what does true twin stands for.
Not saying the custom camber is one of them its directional just with twin flex and sidecuts , having the same shape of the nose and tail however the nose is a little bit longer. Also he mention in that video that the custom is more twin ish than the others in video.
So I guess i just try to set it a little more centred if its gonna feel weird i will change it back to step back stance.
My most worries is if I change the stance it will effect my riding in bad ways, because my weight will be little shifted.
I just want to ride switch from time to time. If it feels right i keep it like that if not i will set it to the ref.